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Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Trekluver — Wed May 02, 2012 10:52 pm

Author: Trekluver

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:52 pm

Jamie Marchant wrote:

Quote:
So we can assume its more complex then Typing /global-jump100 in the KI and watching everyone jump in the air 100 feet.

Well scrips where written to make things eseir some some of the stuff I do is as simple as that. Knowing what the verius things do probably takes a bit of technical background though. If anyone wants to see what it takes see how much of last weeks "Setting up a shard: Q&A!" makes sens too you:
http://uru.lyros.net/files/logs/QA_28-04-12.txt

Yea, using the Python console is easy. Now coding for Python is a whole 'nother beast. I made the attempt when I was desperate from PyPRP3, but alas I suck at writing it.

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Jamie Marchant — Wed May 02, 2012 10:19 pm

Author: Jamie Marchant

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:19 pm

Quote:

So we can assume its more complex then Typing /global-jump100 in the KI and watching everyone jump in the air 100 feet.

Well scrips where written to make things eseir some some of the stuff I do is as simple as that. Knowing what the verius things do probably takes a bit of technical background though. If anyone wants to see what it takes see how much of last weeks "Setting up a shard: Q&A!" makes sens too you:
http://uru.lyros.net/files/logs/QA_28-04-12.txt

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Annabelle — Wed May 02, 2012 9:36 pm

Author: Annabelle

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:36 pm

@ Karkadann... just a little bit more complex

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Karkadann — Wed May 02, 2012 6:38 am

Author: Karkadann

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:38 am

Jamie Marchant wrote:

P.S. Karkadann, this type of hacking is easy for people with a lot of techincal skill to pull of, most of the programmers playing with Open Source MOULa could do it if they tried. I dot NOT endorce or encerge you to do so!

HAHAHA thanks for the warning I was kinda curios, I guess ill stick to 3d Graphics, or get back to it as soon as I can get me a new hard drive this one is making strange clickingclickclick noises and active funny

Getting back on topic So we can assume its more complex then Typing /global-jump100 in the KI and watching everyone jump in the air 100 feet.

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Trekluver — Wed May 02, 2012 1:51 am

Author: Trekluver

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:51 am

Lyrositor wrote:

Indeed I have. I gave the Maintainer suits as an example, actually.

Ah, then indeed they have been taught by a good teacher.

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Annabelle — Tue May 01, 2012 11:45 pm

Author: Annabelle

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:45 pm

I'll be delighted to see you in action

I'm not saying you couldn't do it I'm just impress at how fast you learned

And for my understanding of all the magical stuff...well...things are better not be told

I saw a post about fun house, i didn't read it yet, I'll

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Jamie Marchant — Tue May 01, 2012 10:37 pm

Author: Jamie Marchant

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:37 pm

Annabelle, it's actually not as complex as you might think for a technical person to do these things, especially now, thanks to the comminute who have written some scripts that I have obtained. Also, I'm up for the challenge. I invite you to see for yourself at my event:
http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25687

Lastly I PM'd AdamJonson about this event and he is ok with my using The Fun House for this!

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Annabelle — Tue May 01, 2012 9:29 pm

Author: Annabelle

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:29 pm

With all the respect to you Jamie,

maybe you should play in your personal ages. As I understand the whole situation, you are fearly new with the use of an internal client.

Playing in the Fun House is like playing in an entertainment centre. People will link there and expect you to do something. The rule that Chogon restated today is quite clear: in Fun House, in Hood of Illusions or in your personal ages.

What is a personal age? Almost all ages can be personal. Set up a private hood and there you got all hood instanced ages (Ae'gura, K'veer, Hood, 1 garden) all personal.

I won't tell you who's can and who's cannot do "magical" stuffs in the community beside the Grey Hats but those who can do their stuffs in their instances.

MC of a Fun House Event is not an easy task. The awesome effects that we experience as explorers attending the event is well orchestrated in the background with TONS of coding lines. The "rabbits" they get out of their hats have maybe 100 lines of coding.

They do a smooth show because they know how to get it smooth. Like I said long time before, the Grey Hats are not preventing from entering their group for elitism reason...there's a real knowledge behind & there's a real danger server-wise to let anyone doing what they think it's good for them.

So with all that said, I'm glad you learned from Lyrositor. I'm sure he will help you down the way again. I know other explorers who got help from other Grey Hat to learn and they might in the future seek more help.

You learn the magic but it's a heavy burden and I can understand Cyan to say to you or to anyone doing like you learning like you..."we authorise you but keep it to your personal ages".

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Jamie Marchant — Tue May 01, 2012 7:28 pm

Author: Jamie Marchant

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:28 pm

The problem with your plan is that you wold have to manually teleport people form one hood to the other and if you entered any of their key numbers wrong you might telport someone there who does not wish to go there(which would be "hacking"). It's also against the rules since they are not in the Fun House when you teleport them. However for what I want to do the simplest thing would be for me to PM one of the Gray Hats, so I will do that.

P.S. Karkadann, this type of hacking is easy for people with a lot of techincal skill to pull of, most of the programmers playing with Open Source MOULa could do it if they tried. I dot NOT endorce or encerge you to do so!

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Lyrositor — Tue May 01, 2012 5:57 pm

Author: Lyrositor

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:57 pm

Jamie, it would appear you can't become a member of the Hood (and neither can I for that matter). A temporary solution, while waiting for The Fun House to come up, would be to create a "The Fun House Hood", link to it, wait for people to come, then link them to the real Fun House for the fun to begin. Of course, this would work best for planned events, but if enough people show up...

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Chogon — Tue May 01, 2012 5:24 pm

Author: Chogon

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:24 pm

The internal client "fun" should only be done in the Fun House or The Hood of Illusions neighborhoods. Or in your personal Ages.

But more important, the internal client or any "hacking" tools should never be used to modify, change settings, enhance, degrade, remove, add, etc. any Age, avatar or any virtual object that does not belong to you. Places like The Fun House neighborhood may seem like it is for everyone but it is not. Please ask the owners to make any changes.

So, I will unlock this thread and please respect other people's property, virtual or otherwise.

Thanks,
Chogon

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Mac_Fife — Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:51 pm

Author: Mac_Fife

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:51 pm

I'm temporarily locking this thread pending an opinion from Cyan on whether it's appropriate to discuss the possible use of certain tools in the context of MOULa outside of the original Grey Hat group.

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Karkadann — Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:14 pm

Author: Karkadann

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:14 pm

AdamJohnso wrote:

(this is actually not very difficult).

For Who?

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

Jamie Marchant — Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:54 pm

Author: Jamie Marchant

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:54 pm

Yes it would be possible to write a "hacking" tool to bump the Fun House. However It would be easier and safer if you invited me to be a member of the Fun House, would this be possible?

Re: The Power Of The Gray Hats!

AdamJohnso — Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:25 pm

Author: AdamJohnso

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:25 pm

To bump the hood, you have to be a member of the hood--even if you do know the guid and are standing inside it. That's an unfortunate client limitation. If you're willing to do a bit of hacking, you could write a tool that connects to MOULa and makes the hood public (this is actually not very difficult).