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Re: age creation tools

BAD — Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:48 am

Author: BAD

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:48 am

We do not have enough information to say one way or the other about this topic. The original purpose of this thread was to make the *suggestion* that fan made content be included in Uru Live.

I think we should leave this alone until we have some definitive information about what Cyan is going to do about it.

Re: age creation tools

tkwiggins — Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:02 pm

Author: tkwiggins

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:02 pm

Rieuco wrote:

The solution I would suggest is simple:

When you create and age, it appears on the bookshelf in your Relto, but only your bookshelf. You can invite your friends to see your age, just as you could invite them to any of the offical ages on your shelf.

At this point, once the age is complete, there should be an option to submit it to a public library for other players to explore. If there is to be any approval committee, it would naturally occur at this phase, but I don't think it's really neccessary.

This allows people to tinker with the idea, and improve their skills before making the age public.

The golden rule of player created content is: If you don't like it, don't use it. In this case, if you link to a player created age, and it's so awful you wretch in disgust, then link out, and pick another book.

It might also be benifical to include a method for ranking player made ages, so that each person who explores an age, can vote on it's quality thus giving an indicator to those browsing for new ages which ones are considered "the best."

Rieuco's suggestions make sense to me.

I would only add that, for a plethora of reasons including legal liability and IP rights, it will doubtless be necessary for Cyan to approve any outside material before it's added to their servers.

In regard to this thread, an excellent summary of Cyan CTO Mark DeForest's recent Town Hall Chat is up on the DRC Liaison site.

Re: age creation tools

Owehn — Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:08 pm

Author: Owehn

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:08 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you just said.

Re: age creation tools

www2 — Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:56 pm

Author: www2

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:56 pm

Rieuco wrote:

If Cyan put fan made age in UntÃl Uru, it would draw players away from Uru, and thus hurt the number of subscriptions.

True. That would be bad.

Rieuco wrote:

As for only wanting Cyan content, I doubt anyone is going to force you to go look at the fan made ages. I would imagine that you can just ignore them and only play around in the offical Cyan made ages if that's what suits you.

Exactly. If there was a movie out that I would absoulutely not want to see, I wouldn't go out and try to destroy all the film. I just wouldn't go to see it. Cyan will undoubtedly give credit to the person who made it. It might even just be accessible from that person's Relto. So no worries there.
It's not that I don't think you age creating people don't have talent. What I've seen looks good. I just really love Cyan's worlds.

*Shrugs*

Re: age creation tools

blackhole — Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:11 pm

Author: blackhole

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:11 pm

Mincetro wrote:

If there were tools available for Max, I'd be all over it right now... Never got the hang of blender myself.

I'm with you on this. An age creator would be the deciding factor for me subscribing to URU Live. Ever since myst I envisioned the day I could "write" an age. Now it seems like the possibilty is finally here. Like all of you I enjoyed exploring ages for the story and the beauty, but I also liked how they got my creative imagination working. I don't want to just passively explore, but also actively create. I'm sure that there some others who understand exactly what I'm trying to say.

If fans managed to create user content during the void of CYAN content when hope for URU was dim, then they're not going to stop now. Fan-created content is an inevitability for a community this dedicated. The question is whether CYAN gives us tools and its blessing in order to let fan creation flourish.

I guess we just have to wait for CYAN's final word on this.

Re: age creation tools

aloys — Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:00 pm

Author: aloys

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:00 pm

Tokai wrote:

All these people that are so eager to create Ages â€“ should be permitted to create them for Until Uru only.

As much as I disagree about this point there's something to be said about it: I think a number of the 'Age creators' would be content with just that. Creating Ages that can only be enjoyed via UU (or offline) We have strived to create tools for the last two years, and yet there was no Live in sight... (Heck, for a time there wasn't even UU.)
This isn't an argument against custom Ages in Live, just a simple observation. I still think custom Ages would be the best thing for Live, only second to a new camera system.
That said, Cyan won't support UU, and I don't see why they'd released tools only for UU.

Re: age creation tools

Maratanos — Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:30 pm

Author: Maratanos

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:30 pm

I will, Tokai.

Re: age creation tools

Tokai — Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:17 pm

Author: Tokai

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:17 pm

We all want Uru Live to succeed â€“ Cyan more than anybody. Competition is rife out there! And Cyan have to pull something out of the bag that will work (we have been down this road before). They have to weigh up playersâ€™ response to many factors â€“ they donâ€™t want to chase members away â€“ their goal is to encourage old and new players alike. At the same time they will consider the large fan base membersâ€™ requests. Ultimately it is more than likely they will play it by ear and generally implement what they think will make the game popular and easy to play (especially for new members).

Some of the Fan Created Ages fraternity are still posting quotes in this thread as if they were written in blood â€“ i.e.-

â€˜Cyan wants fan-made ages in Uru Live. The topic of fan-made ages and all that is entailed in that discussion will be addressed at a later dateâ€™ (this isnâ€™t a statement saying that there will be fan created Ages!). Cyan wants fan-made Ages? I want to be a billionaire â€“ but I doubt thatâ€™ll happen.

â€˜If fan created ages are allowed - how will they be QA'd to prevent ordinary explorers from being trapped with no way out? (If fan created Ages are allowed!).

From what I can glean from all the quotes Iâ€™ve read â€“ Cyan want to please everybody, and all requests / suggestions will be considered. Thatâ€™s all â€“ to re-iterate â€“ there is nothing carved in stone yet.

I stand by my earlier posts â€“ there is no clear statement from Cyan stating weâ€™ll have Fan Created Ages in Uru Live. If - and when there is â€“ Iâ€™m sure they will make it absolutely clear one way or another. If we do get a clear statement â€“ saying we will definitely have Fan Created Ages â€“ then, as I said before â€“ so be it - thatâ€™s the end of this little debate. Iâ€™m still not in favour of Cyan using Fan Created Ages â€“ I would prefer all game content coming out of the Cyan house, or at least created by ourselves in the game (IC).

All these people that are so eager to create Ages â€“ should be permitted to create them for Until Uru only.

I will still be there in Uru Live, Fan Created Ages or not â€“ will you?

Re: age creation tools

Rusty_Russell — Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:47 am

Author: Rusty_Russell

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:47 am

Tokai, nothing ambiguous about it. You've missed GD's response to my question on the Cyanworlds Until URU forum:

quote:
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Originally posted by Rusty_Russell:
GD, what are your (collective) views on fan-made ages on UU shards (except D'mala)?

Thanks.
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Cyan wants fan-made ages in Uru Live. The topic of fan-made ages and all that is entailed in that discussion will be addressed at a later date.

As for your question, I donâ€™t have an answer at this time.

Re: age creation tools

Mincetro — Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:59 am

Author: Mincetro

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:59 am

If there were tools available for Max, I'd be all over it right now... Never got the hang of blender myself.

Re: age creation tools

Lmf — Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:19 am

Author: Lmf

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:19 am

Owehn wrote:

From the morning chatlog with Chogon:

(06/03 08:58:02) Kero: If fan created ages are allowed - how will they be QA'd to prevent ordinary explorers from being trapped with no way out?
(06/03 08:58:2 Chogon: Maintainers suits.
(06/03 08:58:4 Chogon: Ok, there will be somethng more than that
(06/03 08:59:52) Chogon: That is something that we need to develop as part of the scheme for fan created ages. That is why they need to start on a separate server... explorers beware.
(06/03 09:00:34) Chogon: Then once they pass some kind of bar, then brought into the more public areas... or something like that.

This has already been sugested in this post
http://urulive.cyanworlds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50

Re: age creation tools

Rieuco — Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:22 am

Author: Rieuco

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:22 am

If Cyan put fan made age in UntÃl Uru, it would draw players away from Uru, and thus hurt the number of subscriptions.

As for only wanting Cyan content, I doubt anyone is going to force you to go look at the fan made ages. I would imagine that you can just ignore them and only play around in the offical Cyan made ages if that's what suits you.

Re: age creation tools

andomind — Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:19 am

Author: andomind

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:19 am

I can see why your concerned with others feelings, hopes and dreams.
There will always be a small number of persons who get offended
what other might say, no matter what there intentions, hopes or
expectations where.
Sure I daydream from time to time to get good enough
to live up to the standard of working for real at Cyan.
All come down to that most creators see beond that,
we live to share our dreams, give you an experiance and tell a tale.
We see the oppertunity to co-exist with cyan,
which is enough for most of us.

All come down to how all is introduced, handled
and presentated within the game.
As we stand on the brink of something new in the storyline itself,
there can be numerous ways to handle player created material.

for example:
the grower makes and lead us the called with the least
creating a new dni world where we can flurish, both
remeness and discover old dni as we taking on creating a new world
according to her and the leasts rules.

In this form the grower and the least will grant us
forms of expression which is not realy the acctual
old art of writing ages. Safe form of pre-defiened lego.

And from a server perspective its handling is
beside the original storyline,
perhaps an alternative login,
or just a special nexus, could even be
part of a new "the least" city etc

BUT as the settings and handling is not known, we are
at a stand still, amazed and thrilled of what might lay ahead.

As I have been working on game projects myself,
rest asure they have and will take deep thought
on minimise any consern you might have.

Re: age creation tools

www2 — Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:10 am

Author: www2

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:10 am

It's not just the IC aspect that bothers me. Actually that's the least of it.
I really want only Cyan's content in a Cyan game.

If people want to make ages and visit them with thier friends, why can't Cyan release the tools for them to make ages for UU?

But, I don't have a say in what Cyan does. So whatever happens, so be it. I willl still be a loyal Myst Nut and play.

Re: age creation tools

Owehn — Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:02 am

Author: Owehn

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:02 am

From the morning chatlog with Chogon:

(06/03 08:58:02) Kero: If fan created ages are allowed - how will they be QA'd to prevent ordinary explorers from being trapped with no way out?
(06/03 08:58:2 Chogon: Maintainers suits.
(06/03 08:58:4 Chogon: Ok, there will be somethng more than that
(06/03 08:59:52) Chogon: That is something that we need to develop as part of the scheme for fan created ages. That is why they need to start on a separate server... explorers beware.
(06/03 09:00:34) Chogon: Then once they pass some kind of bar, then brought into the more public areas... or something like that.

It doesn't sound very ambiguous to me, but I see how it might be taken as such. Oh well.

It also sounds like the fan ages will be given the thrashing on an alternate server before Cyan lets them into official Uru Live. That sounds ideal: if you want to remain IC you can stay on one server and wait for Cyan to deliver the fan Ages they like, and otherwise you can hop over and see them during construction.