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Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Erlea — Wed May 31, 2006 12:12 pm

Author: Erlea

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:12 pm

I think there are a couple of answers provided to the question of the Bahro's purpose in their enslavement, and why it is not mentioned, in The Book of D'ni and in one of the endings in Myst V.

In The Book of D'ni, the D'ni there do not even see the people who are their slaves, unless they absolutely must interact with them. They feel themselves so superior to these servants that they do not even recognize their existence and everything seems to happen almost magically.

I could easily see the same thing happening with the Bahro. Despite the fact that the Bahro undoubtedly share the same Linking abilities (and may be the origin of them among the D'ni?), the D'ni feel themselves so superior to these "animals" that they do not acknowledge their contribution. They are not mentioned in any D'ni literature because the D'ni willfully ignore that they have any part in their society, or even that they exist

I think there is also a hint of the power of the Bahro in one of the losing endings in Myst V. I won't elaborate too much here for those who have not seen this one, but it's the one where you bring Esher the tablet on Myst island. What Esher says and does in that sequence indicates that, yes, the Bahro are held captive, and because of what you've done in bringing the tablet to Esher, they will be forced to serve this person whom they despise. In his speech, Esher himself says what he hopes to get out of it.

As for the question of whether the Bahro are being restrained because of the damage they could cause, well, I think that's part of the philosophical difference between Esher and Yeesha, and it hinges on whether one trusts the Bahro or not. And even if they were being restrained for such a "noble" reason, does that still give the D'ni the right to use their powers for themselves while deeming them lesser creatures than themselves? Why would we trust the D'ni with that power any more than we would trust the Bahro?

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Rieuco — Wed May 31, 2006 1:47 am

Author: Rieuco

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:47 am

I too think Yeesha is a fairly likely canidate to cause some destruction. Especially if one considers the journals and imager messages she left in Myst 5. The imagers especially show her to have become more than a little demented.

Although, I also would be wary of the bahro. For one thing, I have never found any proper explaination for what purpose the Bahro served in their enslavement. Myst 5 implies they were servants of some kind, but if they were vital servants, why was no deeper explaination of their exploitation by the D'ni given?

It is entirely possible that the Bahro were not the oppressed underclass we thought. Perhaps they weren't enslaved, but restrained because of the damage they could cause?

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

gerrant — Tue May 30, 2006 6:46 pm

Author: gerrant

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:46 pm

Well let me run a line of thought here.....

T'iana - through a desire to see justice allows a situation where one lives that is the main part of a plot that ultimately destroys D'in.

Her son Ghen then grows up amid this loss and destruction and is driven to attempt to learn for himself the powers of the â€˜artâ€™. In the pursuit of this goal he develops a god-complex and starts to destroy book after book â€“ and causes untold misery on worlds he connects to and finally has to be imprisoned by his son.

His son Atrus attempts to gather the scattered survivors and rebuild D'in. In the process of doing this he manages to destroy the other retreat of the D'in by inflicting a pandemic on the world. The resultant uprising of the â€˜leastâ€™ while probably inevitable, effectively destroys the entire place and leaves it struggling to move on while rather sensibly sealing itself off from Atrus and the D'in survivors. He then writes Releeshan and retreats there with the D'in to rebuild anew. The cavern is left to decay in much the same way the D'in split off to create the cavern in the 1st place.

His daughter Yeesha then makes a spiritual journey developing her abilities far beyond that of the D'in and discovers the 'least' known as the Bahro. The Earth D'in apparently following the same course as the original D'in; in that the culture is based on the abuse of another race. She embarks on a long mission to educate and encourage others to break free of the D'in culture. In this she is effectively derailing the DRC in their rebuilding of the cavern. This of course, if successful would see the return of the abuse of the Bahro. I am making the assumption that it would now be hard to reinstate the D'in culture as it stood since the Bahro are no longer controlled by the tablet.

So I have this developing view - Tâ€™iana and her descendants are well meaning but tend to take actions that become the catalyst for major changes, and those changes have unfortunately tended to result in the deaths of rather large numbers of people.

So I assume the chances of destruction are very high if Yeesha or any of her children turn up. (I am assuming that she does take the chance to settle down in Releeshan and have her own life).

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

hogarth — Tue May 30, 2006 5:40 pm

Author: hogarth

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 5:40 pm

If, as has been speculated elsewhere, the timeline of Uru Live places us AFTER the events of EoA, then the earthquake activity in the Cavern is likely to be the cause of the Destruction.

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Tylinol — Sun May 28, 2006 1:43 am

Author: Tylinol

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:43 am

I don't think that the surface will be destroyed, however it
may become inaccessable through the normal means. It
seems to be experiencing some problems at the end of EOA,
and it would be interesesting if the 'bad' ending of EOA was
the correct one, and it would make sense because that ending
gives you access to an additional age.

In that case, we may have the task of freeing the stranger fomr Myst 5.

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

UbiqriD'NIculous — Sun May 28, 2006 12:44 am

Author: UbiqriD'NIculous

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:44 am

On a more serious note, my hunch is that the surface will become uninhabitable. I offer you this quote from page 326 of David Hatcher Childress's Lost Cities of North and Central America:

An interesting legend that has been reported about the Hopi is that a of a Dark Star that will appear soon in the sky. This Dark Star will herald the end of the Fourth World, or Fourth Sun. The Hopi, like the Aztecs or Toltecs, divided the periods between catastrophes by "Suns" with which they named each epoch. There was the Sun of Water, the Sun of Earth, the Sun of Wind, and our current age, the Sun of Fire.

The end of the Sun of Fire will also be indicated by an unusual blue flower that will bloom in the desert. According to tribal reports, a strange blue flower, hitherto unknown, has been found in the desert regions of New Mexico.

- - - -
Make of that what ye will.

The author is a bit far out, by the way.

My guess is that Yeesha's unique abilities will become paramount in Live, perhaps linking us to a new refuge akin to the rainy Cleft.

qriD

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Kero — Sun May 28, 2006 12:28 am

Author: Kero

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:28 am

Is this "destruction" supposed to occur at the start of the new game - and "we" the community are tasked with digging our way out? Or is it something that will occur 10 years down the line as part of an ongoing story plot? (Assuming the online game lasts that long. ) Also, is this a wide spread destruction of the Cavern or just some small significant part?

The idea of the Cavern being destroyed early on scares me - there is to much still to explore and discover in it to loose it all right out of the gate. Course, if they've incorporated aspects of EoA into Live - and Live is supposed to be real time - then we'll have until 2040 before everything goes "poof".

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Mincetro — Sun May 28, 2006 12:10 am

Author: Mincetro

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:10 am

KAHN!

EDIT: C'mon, you must have seen THAT coming...

Quote:

Hmmm. A similar unfortunate thing regarding the sun happened to Garternay. Could there be a hidden lever in Ae'gura which reads "Trigger nova - do not pull", or something like it?

Reminds me of System shock, when you accidently trigger the laser and destroy earth...

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

UbiqriD'NIculous — Sat May 27, 2006 11:45 pm

Author: UbiqriD'NIculous

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:45 pm

I think Dr. Watson is going to reappear in the Cavern as a professional wrestler nicknamed "Destruction."

Just my 2 cents.

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Tylinol — Sat May 27, 2006 4:41 pm

Author: Tylinol

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:41 pm

There are several possibilities I can forsee:

1. I find Earth's descriptive book. It's dusty. I sneeze on it,
erasing the line about North America.

2. I plant a flag in the volcano, accidently breaking through the
cap and causing the volcano to erupt. I panic link.

3. Jeff Zandi leaves the cleft to play Magic: The Gathering (there
is a real Jeff Zandi who plays that game and is some sort of
expert at it) and the goverment decides it would be an ideal place
to test a new cruise missile. I'm given the job to launch the cruise
missile. I press the big red button, and then immeadietly realise
why the target site looks so familiar.

4. A mega multi-artist rock concert is held b the volcano.
The rapid jumping of tens of thousands of fans causes the volcano
to colapse. The bands and fans land in the water, where they continue
the concert, much to our dismay.

Quote:

Hmmm. A similar unfortunate thing regarding the sun happened to Garternay. Could there be a hidden lever in Ae'gura which reads "Trigger nova - do not pull", or something like it?

Around here we hae large green pipes sticking out of the fround, twisting
every which way, crowded with levers, wheels, and buttons.
I always have to restrain myself from letting my Myst instincts
take over .

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Ashelbane — Sat May 27, 2006 3:47 pm

Author: Ashelbane

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:47 pm

I would like to point out that since Yeesha saves Kadish in PoTS, maybe he could come back and cause problems?

Who knows, maybe a faulty Age Edit could destaqbilize the Cavern, throwing the plaers into separate places and forcing them to find eachother.

That woudl be a cool system, start in different Ages but come together and forge a new community?

Could It Be? [possible spoiler]

Lial — Sat May 27, 2006 3:10 pm

Author: Lial

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:10 pm

Upon completing PoTS I returned to the storeroom in Kadish Tolsa, and noticed a linking book in the corner near the entrance. I don't think it had been there earlier.

Do you think what you find next could be relevant to this discussion?

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Deledrius — Fri May 19, 2006 8:33 pm

Author: Deledrius

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:33 pm

Maratanos wrote:

Whoa. Of COURSE Cyan won't destroy Earth. That loses all vestiges of connections between IC and OOC. The whole point of Uru is that we, our real OOC selves, pretend for the duration of the game to enter a purely IC location. This radically changes if Sol novas.

Not true. That young D'ni boy... Ri'neref... he's pretty talented. I say have him write a link to an Age much like Earth. He can link all of us humans into a cavern deep below its surface, to learn a little humility.

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

Tallonenx — Fri May 19, 2006 12:44 am

Author: Tallonenx

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:44 am

Interesting theory about the volcanoe, although I hope it doesn't happen becuase the cleft and the well, are two of my all time favorite places to go (in UABM and EAO).

But I don't think it will.

If EOA Takes place after Uru live 2 the DRC apparently fixes the well and everything there, plus the mountiain is still rumbling in EOA, and there is no evidence of a destruction of the tunnels or a mount saint hellens explosion. So...however pleasing...it probably won't happen.

If UL is placed after Myst V that is...

Re: What Do You Think?-Destruction Is Coming.

JWPlatt — Wed May 17, 2006 3:02 am

Author: JWPlatt

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:02 am

Kiteerah wrote:

I just hope that my Relto isn't involved in the destruction. Finding a new home might be difficult in the city.

I see vagrants sleeping in the streets and neighborhoods of the Cavern all the time. Apparently there's no law against it, so just pick up a few cones and mark off your own spot.