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Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

jarelav — Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:46 am

Author: jarelav

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:46 am

Alahmnat wrote:

On the opposite side of the coin, the Archive may have more "historical" information about the Age itself, or details about the history/development of the KI that are outside of the scope of a walkthrough or guide, but visitors to the GoG website have no indication of where they might be able to find that information.

You're right, the DPWR covers the history aspects in greater detail, whereas the GoG takes a more "generalist" approach to its historical coverage.

Alahmnat wrote:

What I'm proposing is a simple system of link-backs to various pages on our respective websites, so for example, DPWR's entry on Ahnonay would contain a link to the GoG walkthrough, and perhaps eventually a link to the GoC's map of the Age, should they release one. GoG's walkthrough and GoC's map page would both link back to DPWR's entry on Ahnonay in return (and perhaps even more ideally, link to each other as well), providing an interconnected resource of information that gives visitors and new players all of the information they need or want, without requiring them to stumble across all three websites on their own.

I do agree with you that there is a need to ensure that visitors aren't treated to a broken link when attempting to use one of these cross-links, and that is perhaps where most of the work will come in over the long run. However, I think good communication and cooperation will be able to head off many of these issues before they spring up.

Sounds good. But as you mentioned, communication is essential. To increase communication we would love to discuss specifics with you further on this thread at the GoG forum, where I'm sure you'll receive more input from our GMs than just me talking. I won't presume to speak for the guild; I'm sure each member can speak for themselves. I'll keep checking here frequently as usual.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

Tweek — Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:41 am

Author: Tweek

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:41 am

Personally I think the pages looked better before (when the Kirel logos were the guild colour swashes) the likelihood of every guild having a flyer in Kirel seems unlikely thus when new guilds are around you wont have consistency amongst the pages at DPWR.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

horatio252 — Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:32 am

Author: horatio252

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:32 am

Thanks to a generous donation from Ayli of the Guild of Greeters, all the restored guild entries now have their logos as they appear on the flyers in Kirel.

GoG now has a "helping hands" logo that resembles their shirts so that visitors to DPWR can easily identify Greeters when they see them in the cavern.

I was able to find a logo for GoC on one of their websites, though it is a bit small.

I am still accepting comments and contributions, though the above changes complete everything people have contacted me about.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

Alahmnat — Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:18 pm

Author: Alahmnat

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:18 pm

Thanks for the heads-up, Andros. I've registered with the GoMe forums and am just waiting for my account to be activated; once I can log in I'll be sure to join in the discussion going on there.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

jarelav — Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:34 pm

Author: jarelav

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:34 pm

horatio252 wrote:

Okay, I've made those changes to the GoG entry. I would like to have an image of the "Helping Hands" in the entry, but my brief search of the GoG website proved fruitless. If anyone has one feel free to send it to me or post it here.

Ayli PMed you yesterday. Hope you got it.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

Andros — Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:09 am

Author: Andros

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:09 am

Alahmnat, Shimmer from the GoMe has posted this regarding the GoMe/GoA cooperation:

"Anubis LG, a former explorer, donated a chat log parser to the GoMe. I haven't looked at it in detail yet, but I was thinking it would be a good tool to simplify/quicken the chat log posting process. I think it's great that GoA wants to take a hand in cataloguing the chats. They can host it over there, with links from our library section, or we can host it here. Either way."

You can directly reply to the discussion through: http://messengers.sixpencemedia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=81

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

horatio252 — Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:40 am

Author: horatio252

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:40 am

Okay, I've made those changes to the GoG entry. I would like to have an image of the "Helping Hands" in the entry, but my brief search of the GoG website proved fruitless. If anyone has one feel free to send it to me or post it here.

In fact, if GoC or GoMe has a logo they would like in their entry PM me or post it here. I have images of GoMa and GoW that I can copy from the historical article.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

jarelav — Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:05 am

Author: jarelav

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:05 am

Quote:

GoG http://www.dpwr.net/forums/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=903

Good job, Horatio.

Our Guild Symbol is the "Helping Hands" logo, by which players can recognize us in MO:UL.

Know a Greeter by his/her "Helping Hands" t-shirt.

As for our new leadership structure, the Guild Masters adopted it on December, 9, 2007, to become effective on January 1, 2008.

Suggested edit of the last sentence: "The current leadership consists of Grand Master Indy, and Guild Masters Ayli, Ja'de, Kurtg1265 and Rex Havoc. Tijara, the former Grand Master, remains involved with her husband Tech as both own the forum and website, and provide counsel to the current leadership."

schlomo

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

horatio252 — Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:26 am

Author: horatio252

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:26 am

Late last week I finished updating and completing the Archives information on the Guilds, historical and restored. I wanted to post here and ask anyone who will to look over my entries on the current/restored Guilds to make sure they are accurate and complete. The goal of the articles is not to contain everything we know about each guild, but provide a sufficient summary to answer basic questions and point readers towards the guild websites for more information. I've included my guidelines for the article content to help you see the scope and information I am using and looking for.

Guild Name
Established
Guild Color
Guild Symbol

Current Guild / Restored Guild
-Responsibilities/duties
-Major events (past or recurring)
-Locations (hoods, websites)
-Important people (who are its current and former leaders)

If you have an account at DPWR you can edit the articles yourself or you can PM here or there. You can find them under the tags for people->groups or the link for each is
GoC http://www.dpwr.net/forums/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=905
GoG http://www.dpwr.net/forums/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=903
GoMa http://www.dpwr.net/forums/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=906
GoMe http://www.dpwr.net/forums/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=904
GoW http://www.dpwr.net/forums/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=907

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

Andros — Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:14 am

Author: Andros

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:14 am

Alahmnat wrote:

[*]Whoever heads this up should be willing to work with any relevant branches of the GoMe to provide links to news stories and/or formatted/cleaned up logs of an event whenever possible, preferably with appropriate link-backs to the Archive's unedited version of the logs. I did a quick perusal of the GoMe website and didn't find a chatlog resource available, so perhaps this would be something that a joint GoMe/GoA "task force" could help get started.[/list]

I know that Shimmer, the webmaster of the GoMe website, wanted to have a chatlog ressource soon. I'll speak to her about GoMe/GoA cooperation.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

Dudemom_2000 — Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:23 am

Author: Dudemom_2000

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:23 am

Alahmnat said:

Quote:

Secondly, I'm still looking for feedback on how to go about categorizing and organizing 10,000 years of D'ni history, as well as trying to reconcile that history across two disparate timekeeping systems. This is a really big undertaking, and I don't want to jump into it willy nilly, only to have suggestions tossed in when it's halfway finished and have to start over again. If anyone has any suggestions on where to look for help or advice outside of this forum, by all means, send me a link!

Sent.... This is currently on The Puzzlers site. www.thepuzzlers.net (Reports under Dudemom) I and several others have been working on this.

And just put it in your thread at www.dpwr.net

Here

scroll to the bottom to get to the timeline link

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

Alahmnat — Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:28 am

Author: Alahmnat

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:28 am

A quick note, followed by a few more project thoughts/comments/planning ideas... I've changed the name of this topic to better reflect the discussions going on here. Now, on to the rest of the stuff...

First, I sent this as a PM to jarelav, but since it applies to more than just the GoG, I figured I'd post it here, with some extra modifications taking into account some of the stuff I've read on the DZS forum since sending this:

My thoughts for a while now have centered around trying to make the information we each have on our respective sites more inter-connected, so that newcomers can find as much, or as little, information as they need on the specific subject they're interested in. For instance, DPWR's Archive has a lot of information about Ahnonay, but none of it is really what you could call a walkthrough. Similarly, the Archive doesn't have an awful lot of user guides for things like the KI either. This is all information that the GoG has on their site, but right now visitors to DPWR need to find the GoG on their own without prompting. On the opposite side of the coin, the Archive may have more "historical" information about the Age itself, or details about the history/development of the KI that are outside of the scope of a walkthrough or guide, but visitors to the GoG website have no indication of where they might be able to find that information.

What I'm proposing is a simple system of link-backs to various pages on our respective websites, so for example, DPWR's entry on Ahnonay would contain a link to the GoG walkthrough, and perhaps eventually a link to the GoC's map of the Age, should they release one. GoG's walkthrough and GoC's map page would both link back to DPWR's entry on Ahnonay in return (and perhaps even more ideally, link to each other as well), providing an interconnected resource of information that gives visitors and new players all of the information they need or want, without requiring them to stumble across all three websites on their own.

I do agree with you that there is a need to ensure that visitors aren't treated to a broken link when attempting to use one of these cross-links, and that is perhaps where most of the work will come in over the long run. However, I think good communication and cooperation will be able to head off many of these issues before they spring up. In addition, at least as far as DPWR goes, the Archive's URLs have only changed once in the past 4 years or so, and even those old links are still re-routed into the new system seamlessly, so I wouldn't worry about suddenly having to re-do all of your pages if DPWR goes through an update. I've put in a lot of work to make sure that things remain accessible regardless of what happens to the layout of the site.

One of the things that was brought up on the DZS forum was link "branding" – or perhaps "badging" would be a better term; basically, a way to visually indicate that by following a link, you would be taken to a different site for that information. This is something I hadn't given much thought to, but thinking about it, I really rather like it. It's a nice flag for the visitor, telling them they're moving to a new site, and it does give the content a certain "brand", so after a little bit of exposure, you have some idea of what to expect when you follow a link badged with, say, the GoG logo. Setting up the icons and all of the specifics will probably be the roughest part to start with, but I'd like to get started with it before we get too deep into this cross-linking idea's execution so that we don't have to do twice as much work in the end. I think the implementation of the badges is something best left for the various sites to determine on their own, since everyone has their own content management system to deal with, but I will note that I think I can rig a system for DPWR that is both flexible and immediately usable.

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Secondly, I'm still looking for feedback on how to go about categorizing and organizing 10,000 years of D'ni history, as well as trying to reconcile that history across two disparate timekeeping systems. This is a really big undertaking, and I don't want to jump into it willy nilly, only to have suggestions tossed in when it's halfway finished and have to start over again. If anyone has any suggestions on where to look for help or advice outside of this forum, by all means, send me a link!

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Finally, this was brought up at the Guild Communication Meeting yesterday, and I wanted to address it here as well. A while back, ireen had the idea for a comprehensive chatlog project to be included in the Archive. I think this is still a great idea, and would love to jump in with both feet to get it started right away. However, I've got enough other projects in the Archive to deal with right now, and don't think I could give this project as much attention as it would require. I'd therefore like to put out a call for a volunteer or two to head up this project. In addition, I'd like to define a few goals for whoever chooses to take the reigns on this one:

Ideally, in keeping with the new structure of the Archive, chatlogs should be contained within a single tag or group of tags for easy searching and navigation.
In addition to this structure, chatlogs should be linked to by whatever timeline/history-tracking system we implement, and perhaps even more ideally, link back to those pages as well. In this manner, chatlogs would be more tied to the rest of the history of the Cavern, and not just be isolated events.
Chatlogs should be posted in a raw but readable format. In other words, no graphical emoticons would be present in the log, important names (and perhaps their lines of text) would be bolded, and other important lines would ideally be indicated visually as well. I know there are a couple of chatlog formatters out there... if we could standardize on one of them and establish guidelines for the settings we use for them, that would go a long way to making the chatlog archive a uniform resource for players. Perhaps the only thing we'd need to overcome is the variance in timestamping that occurs because the logs are recorded in local time, not Cavern Time.
Whoever heads this up should be willing to work with any relevant branches of the GoMe to provide links to news stories and/or formatted/cleaned up logs of an event whenever possible, preferably with appropriate link-backs to the Archive's unedited version of the logs. I did a quick perusal of the GoMe website and didn't find a chatlog resource available, so perhaps this would be something that a joint GoMe/GoA "task force" could help get started.

If anyone is interested in helping with any of these projects (Website cross-linking, link badging, history cataloguing, or the chatlog project), please contact me either on this forum or through DPWR. If anyone has suggestions on where to take these ideas to get them increased coverage or attention, please let me know where to go with them. Thanks.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

jarelav — Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:03 pm

Author: jarelav

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:03 pm

Hi Alahmnat,

Since you know what we have at the Guild of Greeter's website, let us know what you have in mind. Please feel free to PM any of our GMs or staff, or discuss what you like to see on our forum. I'll also check this thread from time to time.

We are glad to cross-link between your site and ours. However, links can become inactive or "broken" over time. This is one reason why we try to include as much material on our website, and to give credit to the source.

jarelav aka schlomo

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

semplerfi — Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:56 pm

Author: semplerfi

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:56 pm

slightperil wrote:

I'd like to help get things started by seeing how we could work together before we make any decisions on Guilds and all that jazz.

As a contributing member of DZS I concur.

Re: Archivist Project Discussion: Help Wanted!

slightperil — Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:17 pm

Author: slightperil

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:17 pm

I've been trying to help Alahmnat with the DPWR recently and also keep on top of my DZS edits, but this time of year just seems to eat up all of your time!

I think the two sites could happily exist in some sort of union, actually I think it would be beneficial for us to come together. I don't really think it matters so much what the name of our Guild is as at the end of the day it will just be a title.

If we were to agree on coming together it would need us to use some sort of conformity to show that we are part of the same 'team' while still keeping our individual identities. And it'll require that we work a heck lot more together, both talking and writing, tagging, etc.

I'd like to help get things started by seeing how we could work together before we make any decisions on Guilds and all that jazz.