I plan to join up soon. Very excited for UL.

I was wondering...I've finished up, got the cool suit, and filled up the bookshelf as much as I can. I like to link back every once in a while and just traipse around. Will the old Uru (KI) be compatable with the UL stuff I'm gonna put on my box? Or will it be a fresh start?

Even if there is no cross-over, I hope I don't lose the old Uru.

Hi jimmyleg I second your welcome to the UL forums.

I don't think you'll have any worries about the two versions of URU conflicting with each other. Since they are incompatible there shouldn't be any conflicts. (/me crossing fingers) I'm like you, I have URU:CC and enjoy going back thru it with different avi's. I may be wrong - some expert please correct me - but I think when you download the new version, put it in a different folder and that should keep it from interfering with the old. I know this worked for me when I joined Until URU. And URU:ABM is compatible with URU:CC.

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Kero wrote:

I don't think you'll have any worries about the two versions of URU conflicting with each other.

I asked GreyDragon (Cyantist) this question in terms of whether Uru Live would conflict with ANY Myst or Uru game, including Until Uru. He only said it was a good question. He did not say there was a good answer (yet).

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JWPlatt wrote:

Kero wrote:

I don't think you'll have any worries about the two versions of URU conflicting with each other.

I asked GreyDragon (Cyantist) this question in terms of whether Uru Live would conflict with ANY Myst or Uru game, including Until Uru. He only said it was a good question. He did not say there was a good answer (yet).

Then I guess - for those of us who have them all permanently installed on our computers - all we can do is hope. Otherwise we'll have to make some hard choices. Grrrr I hate hard choices.

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Kero wrote:

JWPlatt wrote:

Kero wrote:

I don't think you'll have any worries about the two versions of URU conflicting with each other.

I asked GreyDragon (Cyantist) this question in terms of whether Uru Live would conflict with ANY Myst or Uru game, including Until Uru. He only said it was a good question. He did not say there was a good answer (yet).

Then I guess - for those of us who have them all permanently installed on our computers - all we can do is hope. Otherwise we'll have to make some hard choices. Grrrr I hate hard choices.

I have 7 discrete installs of URU on my system. If you follow this tutorial Multiple Until Uru Installs you shouldn't have any problems...

I have not downloaded your zip to look because I have a policy of not doing things which might compromise the security of my computer systems. I would discourage the downloading of files from unknown sources when those files can possibly have active content. Zips can have active content just by opening them. Better to post it in clear text. Before you provide assurances that you have a clean zip, keep in mind that nefarious people would claim the same thing. Also, if people get yours without a problem, it might embolden them to do more risky downloads in the future when the results might not be so positive.

But I will just assume you have instructions which might involve registry editing or just simple folder renaming. In any case, I have not seen a solution which does not break the uninstall of previous installations. And while there may be a large percentage of technical users on these forums at present, many are not and might regret the attempt. I would hope you have, at least, complete instructions on how to uninstall where the installs are broken.

Finally, my question to GD carries the implied requirement that Uru Live can be cleanly installed and uninstalled via the Windows installer without extraordinary measures, and without breaking any other installed software, including all Myst and Uru titles.

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I found it pretty simple really.. when you come to install another copy of Uru, set yourself a new folder up to put it in before you start. Call that folder what you like.

Proceed to installing Uru again. When the prompt asks you where you want to put it (normally suggesting the original copy's folder), use browse to find your new folder.


There you go!


BTW Ravin's tutorials are beyond reproach.. no need to worry about his zip files. I'm sure most are aware of the need to exercise caution elsewhere

I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't think the registry entries and some system support files are install-specfic. Uninstallation of any one of your various installs of Uru to different folders might remove registry entries and system support files common to Uru in general, breaking the other installations.

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Multi-install of Uru made easy is covered here:

Unofficial Until Uru FAQ:
http://www.cyanworlds.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000782

The FAQ includes a link to a plaintext ".reg" file, which you can easily read and, if you're technically inclined, understand what it does. If you double-click the file, it patches the registry. It plays a Jedi mind trick on your computer by removing Uru-related information from the registry. That way, when you go to install a second copy of Uru, your computer won't realize that Uru is already installed. The registry entries for Uru are designed to only track a single copy of Uru at one time; support for multiple copies doesn't really exist. Fortunately, Uru itself doesn't care about the registry - it's only the installer/uninstaller that cares.

Some people are scared of this sort of thing (changing the registry), but on the whole it is far safer than an EXE file where you have no idea what it may do to your system. The .reg file does the same thing that the Uru Uninstaller does... except it doesn't delete Uru off of the hard drive. Uru stays installed, but the registry no longer knows about it.

As JWPlatt mentions, it's uninstalling where things then get tricky; I cover that in the FAQ too, though perhaps not with the detail that I should. And of course, if you don't understand how to navigate around on your computer's file structure and remove a folder, you probably shouldn't be trying to install multiple copies of Uru side by side. I hate to be blunt here, but: Either you know what you're doing, or you don't. If you want to be able to do something complicated (like manage multiple copies of the same game installed at the same time)... then you need to grow your computer proficiency.

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JWPlatt wrote:

Kero wrote:

I don't think you'll have any worries about the two versions of URU conflicting with each other.

I asked GreyDragon (Cyantist) this question in terms of whether Uru Live would conflict with ANY Myst or Uru game, including Until Uru. He only said it was a good question. He did not say there was a good answer (yet).

Ok with the multiple Uru installs. I've done the folder-switching thing before. I was askin' about Uru out of the box mixed with Uru Live. I guess we wait and see? Any beta testers know the answer?

From what people have deduced in the forums, it looks like the internal structure of Uru Live is different enough from Until Uru that it will be impossible to comingle the two in any way.

If you want to be a beta tester, the whole objective is for you to TEST the game by playing it over and over again, documenting any bugs you find, so importing progress from another installation would defeat the purpose (unless you're testing an importing procedure).

Beta testers must sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) that prevents them from saying anything about the game, so please don't pester them.

Walt

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walt_scrivens wrote:

Beta testers must sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) that prevents them from saying anything about the game, so please don't pester them.
Walt

Ok. Wasn't thinking.

JWPlatt wrote:

I have not downloaded your zip to look because I have a policy of not doing things which might compromise the security of my computer systems. I would discourage the downloading of files from unknown sources when those files can possibly have active content. Zips can have active content just by opening them. Better to post it in clear text. Before you provide assurances that you have a clean zip, keep in mind that nefarious people would claim the same thing. Also, if people get yours without a problem, it might embolden them to do more risky downloads in the future when the results might not be so positive.

:O You accuse the mighty Ravin and one of his mighty tutorials of being less than mighty, nah even unkosher?

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I have all the Myst games (including all three versions of the original game0 plus 5 separate installs of URU offline and online with no issues. I'm Cyan took this into account when designing Uru Live so I dont anticipate any issues. I n addition if there where any issues with installs of other Myst games, I would expect that would be stated on the download page for the Beta Installer. So really can't see this being an issue.

With regard to editing your registry there is a very simple way to protect your self. Make a copy before you edit it, That way if anything goes wrong you can revert to the saved version. THough in the case of multiple Uru the changes are trivial and the worst you can do is currupt your install which can be corrected by a re-install.

On the subject of downloading zips and compromising computer security, I know of now case of a computer being infected with anything from just downloading a zip. THere are some very simple precautions which can be takrn to protect yourself when it comes to unzipping them.

1. Check the bono vides of the source
2. Set a restore point before unzipping them
3, Use Winzip to unzip them (it has an option to virius scan the files before you unzip them)
4. Unzip into there own directory.
5, Dont run .exe files included especially if they claim just to be documents (unless of course you want to install the program)
6. If anything untoward happens restore your system using the restore point prior to unzipping the files

Follow the above and your chances of damaging your system is minimal.

To be absolutely sure invest in an external disk big enough to back-up your system to. Make an image of your C drive, Then in the case of a complete disaster you can just restore the entire system.

Another way to protect yourself which also works is to cretae a Windows Virtual Machine using one of the commercially available VM packages. An unzip and install suspect packages in that enviroment. Then if the package contains any viriuses of malware etc, Its the virtual machine that gets infected, so all you need to do is delete the file which contains the suspect package and start over. If the programme proves to be safe you can then install it in your real windows. Virtual Machines are designed for amongst other things test code on without causing a threat to the host system, there extensively used in industry for testing as you can completely corrupt them and still be back up and running within an hour. I can reccomend VMWare and whats better its free and industry standard. I currently have an install of Linux and Windows Vista both running on Virtual machines on my PC both hosted by Windows XP. Anythiong I install in Vista can only write to the registry of the windows installed in the VM machine, there is no way anything can be installed to the host systems register because it cant be seen by installers.