The trouble is that Live and the original Uru will be incompatible, so I now doubt that Until Uru would even be possible for testing fanmade Ages for Live.

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Well I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have the detailed and awe-inspiring Ages we've come to expect from Cyan incorporated in Live instead of fan-made 'look at me' type Ages.

I admit that Age creation tool are fun and UU shards might be great for showing off our Ages, but I want to have the real thing when it comes to the rebirth of Live.

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I know there are people such as yourself Tehl that don't want to see fan ages. But Cyan so far has disagreed with ya. They are making attempts to bring fan ages into Uru. Whether you want them or not there is a very possible future where you will get them regardless.

I find it funny that most arguments expressed here for the shut down of the UU shards would be competition with the UruLive. How is that possible?

UruLive will be a completely different animal from what I am inferring from the information on this site. Unless some serious fan modding occurs Until Uru would never compete with the Live content. UU could never *significantly* compete with UruLive.

Another issue I see is that Cyan is NOT just out to make money here folks. They are probably not out of the woods yet, but I am sure any small percentage of competition UU could possibly provide is not even on their radar.

That quote from Moke disturbs me a bit because I had heard rumors we would be allowed to keep running UU. If that is not the case then Cyan would lose some Live customers from that as well. About the same write off percentage they would get from competition. I would probably still go into Live but I know a few UU fans who would see that as a deal breaker.

One thing that bothers me as well is some of the people I *thought* were big supporters of UU are now turning their backs on it. Turning their backs before it even has a foot in the grave. Classy.

I don't see any downside to keeping UU running. By the time UruLive is a year old it will have evolved way past anything UU could possibly acheive. UU would not compete with anything Live will produce. UU will only have fan made content, which after reading some posts here, is pretty undesirable to some UruLive fans anyway so only supporters of fan content will be using it.

Ya don't want UU around anymore? Don't use it. Ignore it and leave us who do still want it alone.

I really cannot believe my ears - all this talk about slamming the door on UU.

All them heart-rendering posts from Explorers when UU was started. All the hard work - time spent configuring private shards. Cie la vie...

I think not. We owe a lot to UU - it was UU that kept the fire alight, and long may it continue to burn. UU will forever hold an attraction for Explorers to meet up and discuss events, each other, and general chat. Explorers want to explore though - and I do see a shift of many UU enthusiasts moving over to Live. We wouldn't have the interest in 'Live' now if it wasn't for UU.

But there will be the faithfull few that will remain albeit, outwith Uru Live, and there undoubtedly will be many Live Explorers who will return periodically.

I hope UU continues for as long the Admins can keep the Shards open. I for one will still be there.

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If that is not the case then Cyan would lose some Live customers from that as well. About the same write off percentage they would get from competition. I would probably still go into Live but I know a few UU fans who would see that as a deal breaker.

This is something I cannot understand, really. I don't want to show disrespect for those who worked hard to keep the community together - I appreciate their effort and logged into UU many times during these years. But I see here disrespect for Cyan, in a way.

We have gathered together because of Uru, and joined Until Uru hoping to get at least part of what was lost. It seems to me that many people forget why we were here in the first place... they overlook it just for the sake of their own shard, their fun in messing with the color of the lake etc.
Maybe I'm missing some important point, but this is what I see now.

Until Uru is UNTIL Uru. It was given because Cyan knew how we felt about the loss of Uru - and surely it did hurt them more than us. Now Uru Live is back (almost).

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Hmmmm. This is a bit of a puzzle. I believe that what people said they wanted was Uru Live with ongoing support, bug fixes, and new high quality content. It appears that this will come to pass, so why, then, would you want to continue to use an older client/server which has bugs and problems you cannot really fix?

What will members of the community be able to do in UU which they will not be able to do in Uru Live?

cjkelly1 wrote:

What will members of the community be able to do in UU which they will not be able to do in Uru Live?

Let's see........reunite with UU pals in a private setting, decompress and relax without having to deal with the Ultra-Serious IC Thugs, still use the great User KI features, there's a few reasons!

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Cone on cj you saw the fun we had. There was this fun environment and just look at the differences between D'mala without bug fixes and the private shards with bug fixes and the UserKI.

Until the Beta test comes to life D'mala is going to become a prety crowded playground particularly in the light that all the current toys are on the private shards.

I suspect the noobs (endearment not derision) are already tired of us saying there’s fewer crashes on the private shards and we can do this or that there.

I for one find it frustrating. I can't invite new friends round to play with my toys. Let’s face it no offence intended you had more toys than most.

Without your assistance a major project would have been floundering around looking for testing space, Are you advocating we don't let anybody see the work we did. All that work and no reward cj I am disappointed.

I thought you would have been one of the loudest voices in favour. Clearly not.

PS. I have been trying to contact you re-another project.

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Morngstar,

Are you accusing me of insulting Cyan? You really have no idea whats going on do you.

Number one. It is Untìl Uru. Notice the little mark over the i, it is called a grave. This made it something other than just until UruLive returns.

Lareh is right. We want our own little space to play uninterupted by the storylines and large amounts of players. Is that really so bad? Would that really detract form your UruLive experience?

We also want a place to create without the stigma of guilds or approval boards (Cyan related or not). Would you want to try to setup a fan created content addition to have it compared to things Cyan created? I wouldn't UU would provide an easier place to do these things.

CJK,

WOW! You caught me totally off guard. I never expected you of all people to think that way. Well it is your opinion and you are entittled to it. I guess once UruLive opens I won't be seeing you in UU either.

I never made it to the UruLive beta so I never had a desire for it to return. I thought it would be great to see it come back, but I would have been happy with UU growing into Live itself. A hybrid of Live and fan made content.

I still think UruLive coming back in this way is great too.

I wonaly I will probably never return to UU once live comes back. Now that I know tuld imagen that the UU server will remain for a while.
Persohat Live will be a completely new engine I will remove the old stuff and install the new. Currently I don't spend much time in the caverns because there isn't a single thing to do except chat.

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Number one. It is Untìl Uru. Notice the little mark over the i, it is called a grave. This made it something other than just until UruLive returns.

Bad - this bit of your post just popped out at me. Can you explain what you are getting at. I truly never noticed that the symbol atop the i in Until Uru was an accent grave, so thanks for that enlightenment. Still, I don't understand how you are interpretting this. Typically, the grave is used in some languages to signify the correct pronunciation of and stress on an open vowel and in linguistics to indicate tonal level of the vowel, and would only have semantic significance (meaning) to a listener. Even so, if I say unTEEL Uru instead of unTIHL Uru, or vice versa, I haven't changed its meaning, at least in English. I don't know enough about D'Ni to know whether or not the accent might have a different application there.

I would really like to know what meaning you are reading into this. Can you explain?

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nerf.

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Tehl Nava wrote:

Well I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have the detailed and awe-inspiring Ages we've come to expect from Cyan incorporated in Live instead of fan-made 'look at me' type Ages.

I admit that Age creation tool are fun and UU shards might be great for showing off our Ages, but I want to have the real thing when it comes to the rebirth of Live.

I think as long as the fan made ages arent added into the storyline and are just used as a diversion of sorts, then it should be ok.

Oh and I think UU should die. It would take up precious Cyan time to make UU compatible with Uru Live, which would be bad.

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Tehl Nava wrote:
Well I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have the detailed and awe-inspiring Ages we've come to expect from Cyan incorporated in Live instead of fan-made 'look at me' type Ages.

I admit that Age creation tool are fun and UU shards might be great for showing off our Ages, but I want to have the real thing when it comes to the rebirth of Live.

It was Cyan who asked for our help in the first place. They're clearly looking for assistance in creating new content quickly. I should hope that there are at least some folk out there who have the talent and vision to create Ages where one's attention won't wander too far. Also, I can't imagine Cyan giving their blessing to an Age for Live that has no point, no intrigue, no reason for existence, frankly, and certainly not any Age of inferior graphic complexity.

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Nyrphame wrote:

I truly never noticed that the symbol atop the i in Until Uru was an accent grave, so thanks for that enlightenment. Still, I don't understand how you are interpretting this. Typically, the grave is used in some languages to signify the correct pronunciation of and stress on an open vowel and in linguistics to indicate tonal level of the vowel, and would only have semantic significance (meaning) to a listener. Even so, if I say unTEEL Uru instead of unTIHL Uru, or vice versa, I haven't changed its meaning, at least in English. I don't know enough about D'Ni to know whether or not the accent might have a different application there.

I would really like to know what meaning you are reading into this. Can you explain?

RAWA (in a posting to the Lyst, January 2005) wrote:

In ancient Sumerian,

un = the people, the community
tìl = to live, to keep alive
Uru = the deep city

You can get many applicable meanings out of various combinations, but
the one we had in mind is:

"The people keep alive Uru".

Boy, RAWA's going to think I've hired the NSA to tap his email or something . . .