I believe that both theories have their good and not so good points.

Rotations being elections and "Grand Master" Having to much power.

Doing both is definitely the goal here. And with that, instead of the Guild Master overseeing the whole Guild, maybe he can just oversee the 6 other "Elders". Whatever is in the best interest of the rest of the Guild. No outside concerns at all. Hopefully illiminating any chance of infiltration from outside sources.

Maybe with or without say...a two (fill in the blank) year tenure. The Elders can rotate this responsibility amongst only the other 6. Room for possible election by lessor guild members. To possibly nominate the next "Grand Master" to yet again oversee just the other Elders.

The "Duties of the 6 lessor "Elders or Heads" would then oversee an individual section of responsibilities like; Communication, New Guild member recruiting, security, Age testing, etc., I think you get the gist.

Infiltration is the Key word here, And so is Almighty. Or how about "Master Elder"?

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As nice as it is to see Explorers afraid of everyone's favorite Cavern diving corporate raider you need to remember.

Don't go mad with power............


The checks and balances to stop a few people from running the guild forever are all well and good, but seriously over thought for this stage of the game. Right now the ten or fifteen of us activly disscussing things are stepping up when there is a need to do something, and then moving on to the next thing once the project at hand is done.

I'm glad people are having fun reinventing "Robert Rules of Order", the thing is however it's already been voiced; How will we elect the first set of leaders? All the people adding their 2 cents to the idea are building a very complex structure considering where we are at as a group.

If it turnes into a popularity vote there is no telling what type of person will be heading things up, and if it's a campain/election type thing the winner may just be who ever has a dominant personality. Worst cases I know but the structures that are being preposed lend themselves to both those directions.

Already out of the people activly discussing things leadership roles are shaping up around Montgomery's Pre-Guild group idea. Lets take a page from the GoW and GoG and let it just happen. We are working out a decent group right now regardless of the abitrary rules being discussed, if it's still working down the line when the DRC/Cyan say "Your Offical" we can model the structure off what's evolving now.

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I agree, its not a bad concept. Early on, I noticed alot of concern for infiltration and wanted to come up with an idea that would minimize that situation. If people aren't concerned with that as they once we're then I'm cool, too.

I agree, there has been a gorgeous display of communication and compromise on each topic at hand. When appropriate, I would like to lend a hand in contributing to that process as well. That's all.

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Eh, I just feel that the parts of the structure planning that are aimed at preventing someone/anyone <cough>Cate</cough> from taking over are a bad idea.

What happens, will happen; Probably despite the structure that we setup. The only thing I feel a elaborate system will really give us are fewer people thinking it's fun.

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I'm thinkin' your probably right....that too is my biggest fear. I think my concern is that members will get stuck in a rut, so to say. I read a post from Jishin wrote:

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Well, see, I figure pretty much everyone is going to want to test the new fan-Ages. Who wouldn't? It's new material. Not everyone is going to want to work on the old Ages.

I think it wouldn't be very fair to prevent someone from getting to look at the new Ages just because they're assigned to keep an eye on some old Ages.

As for the fun stuff -- if you think that needs to be a full-time job, we can do it that way. I wasn't thinking it needed to be full-time.

But there's alot more to the guild then testing and I kinda thought to spread the wealth in "duties" as well.

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No kidding Reteltee I believe said he views the Maintainers as a kind of Jack of all Trades Guild.

If even half the things that he hinted in the All Guild meeting are to happen the Maintainer's IC could end up being a rather fun if odd collection of duties.

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Exactly, I'm hoping...it just wouldn't be fair to those that get stuck in say the back end and not be able to intermingle in the front end because their time will be consumed.

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MustardJeep wrote:

Eh, I just feel that the parts of the structure planning that are aimed at preventing someone/anyone <cough>Cate</cough> from taking over are a bad idea.

What happens, will happen; Probably despite the structure that we setup. The only thing I feel a elaborate system will really give us are fewer people thinking it's fun.

OK, I'm going to come clean here. While I really do think Cate is going to attempt to influence the guilds one way or another -- or "He" or Yeesha is -- and that a council is the best way to decentralize power, that is not the only reason I am pushing this.

The fact is, I really want to be the leader of the Maintainers and I don't want people -- any people -- to think for a minute that I muscled or talked my way to the top. So if there is a council and members have to be nominated and voted in, I can get in by demonstrating that I'm one of several good candidates. And that's fair. Maybe I am one of the five best people for the job of leading the Maintainers. But if I am, I want to be given the job because the members of the guild think so, not because I think so and have a way with words or was the first to step up. The Maintainers has the potential to be the most popular guild, and has one serious coolness factor attached to it. I've known that since I tried to start a Guild of Maintainers back in March. So I think leadership is far too important to leave in the hands of one person. And especially someone who wants to be leader because of how cool it is.

If anyone -- anyone -- thinks I should remove myself from consideration for the Maintainer Council, then I will do so.

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For someone who struggles so much at vieing for one of the main leaders for this guild. I would have to say it is in the best interest for the guild. No matter how its done. It is not done with the impression that you are not for the guild of maintainers. To distroy it in the long run...

As a leadership role, I would vote for you Mont. Whenever it does come down to that.

The last thing I would want to see is that people have been given that roll based on "Popularity" as so eliquently put by MustardJeep.

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Knew I could get you to 'fess up sooner or later. ROTFL


I've known you wanted to be leadership in the Maintainers since waaaaay back in December during that last month in D'mala when you first floated the idea.

Your already acting like a leader on this mad scheme of ours, All Guild Meeting, Pre-Guild group, a few hundred constructive comments over on the AoG.....

Need I go on?

But this has been part of why I've said the Pre-Group structure should be kept simple for now.

Anyway Changing Topics
I've almost got all the KI Mail lined up, I'll post something later as a condensed version of the group structure. If no one has any issues with the condensed version I prepare I'll probably send it out last.

If you want I'll stick the meeting request in the pre-guild letter tagged for about two weeks from now?

The All guild meeting seemed to do well with that much notice, besides were still building our group I want a little room to do some red shirt recruiting.

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Hee. MJ's right, you know. We all know you want to be a leader, Montgomery. It's pretty obvious.

Relax, it's cool. It's not like you haven't put in tons of effort. I don't know what you're worried about!

All of that said -- I'm looking forward to seeing MJ's condensed version of the leadership/organization ideas. I have the feeling that gathering it all in one place will really shake it out.

MJ: Meeting? Have we scheduled a new meeting yet? I missed that part, so if we did, please give me the dates and I'll update the QRT.

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Nope no meeting yet.

Just an idea for a meeting, say in about two weeks from the KI mail mailout.

That way the "Maintainer" Explorers can get together and discuss the infor that was passed out in the KI mail, as well as anything else that happens to come up.

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MustardJeep wrote:

Nope no meeting yet.

Just an idea for a meeting, say in about two weeks from the KI mail mailout.

That way the "Maintainer" Explorers can get together and discuss the infor that was passed out in the KI mail, as well as anything else that happens to come up.

Just a thought: in about 2 weeks we will have the Maintainers Pub. We should probably plan to have the meeting there.

Also, I don't know for sure (I don't know any more than anyone else) but I suspect it will be something to join, like a hood. Which would give everyone an additional group list in their KI. So if I'm right, MJ your list will eventually be replaced by this list, which we would all share. I also see from the Coming Soon picture that the giant imager in the pub appears to be working, which will give us yet another way to communicate to the membership.

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The not so little condensed structure description is up on the AoG in the groups thread.

Later!

Also finished the current KI sweep to here in this thread.

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The Maintainer's shirts are pink.
I just found out that the color was suppose to be burgundy, and the guild of the Guild of Healers color was salmon. Are the Maintainers really healers?

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