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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:50 pm — Post subject:

I'm so incredibly relieved I can't begin to tell you...... I used to think I was a bit nerdy. Now, watching you all struggle to make sense of these numbers I know I'm nowhere near being within cooee distance of the outer fringes of being nerdy. For a brief five seconds I contemplated attempting to unravel the code but then I read the post about D'ni numbers and all the books scattered around the cavern. Forget it. Embarassed

I look forward to reading the answer when one of you brainy types cracks it. Wink


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:56 pm — Post subject:

This reminds me of the Beale Code. How it appears to have been created is you get a piece of text (let's say the Book of Ti'ana) and for each letter in your message you find the first instance of that letter in the text and count the position of that letter in the text and write that number. Punctuation marks and spaces are not counted. For example, if you took the BoT and wanted to encode "Hello." you look in the BoT for the first "H" Since the first line of the text reads, "The sounding capsule was embedded in the rock face like a giant crystal, its occupants sealed within the translucent, soundproofed cone." "H" is the 2nd letter, so the first number is 2. "E" is the 3rd one, so the code for it is 3. "L" is the 17th. "O" is the 5th. So, "Hello." would be written "2 3 17 17 5."

Now, to decode something you simply need to have the text the code was based on. Without that, it's a matter of trial and error. Be aware that not 2 numbers will produce the same letter using this method, though one could use different numbers for the same letter if they tweak this method.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:47 pm — Post subject:

excuse my slow typing but ive just got in from work and am i little tired plus i cant i cant rite reel well.i remember the night mr code came in and my first thought was that his/her avi name would be a clue not that i have it infront of me just now but an earlier post had it near the end of the code sumink like T3h2blabla.might it help? if you need more help please dont contact me.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:02 pm — Post subject:

PeteC wrote:

This reminds me of the Beale Code. How it appears to have been created is you get a piece of text (let's say the Book of Ti'ana) and for each letter in your message you find the first instance of that letter in the text and count the position of that letter in the text and write that number. Punctuation marks and spaces are not counted. For example, if you took the BoT and wanted to encode "Hello." you look in the BoT for the first "H" Since the first line of the text reads, "The sounding capsule was embedded in the rock face like a giant crystal, its occupants sealed within the translucent, soundproofed cone." "H" is the 2nd letter, so the first number is 2. "E" is the 3rd one, so the code for it is 3. "L" is the 17th. "O" is the 5th. So, "Hello." would be written "2 3 17 17 5."

Now, to decode something you simply need to have the text the code was based on. Without that, it's a matter of trial and error. Be aware that not 2 numbers will produce the same letter using this method, though one could use different numbers for the same letter if they tweak this method.


I sure hope his text doesn't have 1833 letters.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:27 pm — Post subject:

[quote=face in the puddle man]sumink like T3h2blabla.might it help?[/quote]

That series of numbers and letters is the name of the avvie who sent this message in the first place.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:03 pm — Post subject:

I confess im a little bit lazy now..but when it is a book code..what about "Shomat" the THIRD ("i reguire THREE...") KING ("...to CONTROL")...

i just dont wanna count to 902 xD

okay.. i tried it with "7 7 12 7"..with shomat its "t t h t" :/

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:41 pm — Post subject:

Bismuth wrote:

PeteC wrote:

This reminds me of the Beale Code. How it appears to have been created is you get a piece of text (let's say the Book of Ti'ana) and for each letter in your message you find the first instance of that letter in the text and count the position of that letter in the text and write that number. Punctuation marks and spaces are not counted. For example, if you took the BoT and wanted to encode "Hello." you look in the BoT for the first "H" Since the first line of the text reads, "The sounding capsule was embedded in the rock face like a giant crystal, its occupants sealed within the translucent, soundproofed cone." "H" is the 2nd letter, so the first number is 2. "E" is the 3rd one, so the code for it is 3. "L" is the 17th. "O" is the 5th. So, "Hello." would be written "2 3 17 17 5."

Now, to decode something you simply need to have the text the code was based on. Without that, it's a matter of trial and error. Be aware that not 2 numbers will produce the same letter using this method, though one could use different numbers for the same letter if they tweak this method.


I sure hope his text doesn't have 1833 letters.



In order to translate code 1833, the text would have to have 1833 letters minimum (unless you feel like guessing at it).

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:50 pm — Post subject:

I've discovered a problem with the code: there are 28 different numbers in it. That means that either the code is using multiple numbers for a single letter, the code is based on a different alphabet, or it doesn't use number to letter translations as I had thought.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:08 pm — Post subject:

PeteC wrote:

I've discovered a problem with the code: there are 28 different numbers in it. That means that either the code is using multiple numbers for a single letter, the code is based on a different alphabet, or it doesn't use number to letter translations as I had thought.



This is doubly so a problem, because some numbers (like 4 in the second line) represent multiple letters (i and b, in the preceding example)

What if all the numbers that are one digit apart are chalked up to typo's? Then does it fit?

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:16 pm — Post subject:

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Hmmm Smile

It can't be a simple substitution (a cryptogram) because at least 6 numbers occur by themselves, which only I and A do in english (there are exceptions, yes, but it's uncommon) .



I'm not sure what you mean by this. I don't see and word separation in the image.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:01 pm — Post subject:

He was talking about 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9 (I think..?), which appear by themselves, and considering 355 as being 3, 5 and 5. But it makes no sense, since you'd need 26 "numerals"

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:29 pm — Post subject:

I just counted 73 letters in the first two lines of "ahlsendar"...the first page has like 16 full lines which makes approximately 1168 letters on the first site...which means that every book in URU could be THE book....it just needs 2 pages to have at least 1833 letters...

by the way...how did you guys solve the second and third lines?
And do you guys think the "authors name" could give us a clue?

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:16 am — Post subject:

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I've discovered a problem with the code: there are 28 different numbers in it.



I only count 26 numbers - did I miss a couple?

1
3
4
5
7
9
11
12
15
18
27
35
66
101
167
174
181
355
381
536
891
902
913
1814
1815
1833


And per hints above, I thought maybe the avi's name might refer to the King's books (like T3 might be line 3 of King Ti'amel's book or something) but I checked a list of the King's books from the D'ni Restoration site - couldn't find one starting with U.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:26 am — Post subject:

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I'm not sure what you mean by this. I don't see and word separation in the image.



Sorry, that was a screw up. I edited the post, basically saying ignore that bit. I should have deleted the whole thing. I was at work, just sneaking peaks at the coded message, and totally misread it.

Moving on...

Considering that T3H2L1E3A1D1R2U1 might represent TTTHHLEEEADRRU, which might be an anagram or the poster's real avie name, can you come up with anything useful? I plugged that into an online anagram solver, and got a couple thousand 'viable' options like HE ALTERED TRUTH and HERDER HUT LATTE, but nothing Uru related, or with D'ni-like proper names - they aren't in the solver's dictionary. I don't know if that's the right path, but I thought it was worth a shot. Any inspirations?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:33 am — Post subject:

Sounds like a good idea, but you missed an L3...there's L1 and L3 next to each other, so it's probably likely that he/she would've said L4 instead of L1L3 if what you're trying was the right way to go....nice idea though.

Edit: sorry, I might have misread something - is the fourth letter/number in his name L3 or E3?


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