VoiZod wrote:

It is not that old of argument, it is a fact, [...]

Well, there are actually three arguments there, all of which are so old they have beards ...

1. "MagiQuest is stopping Uru going Open Source": It's been stated several times, here and elsewhere, that Creative Kingdoms placed nothing on Cyan that would obstruct OS (including demands on time). Mainly, these statements come from JWPlatt who, as a CK employee, played a big part in putting Cyan and CK together for the MQO project. JWPlatt has also been a long-time proponent of bringing Uru to OS, so it'd be a case of shooting himself in the foot if Project A killed Project B.

2. "We can change anything in Open Source": Right from the outset, Cyan made it clear that the scope of Open Source would be release of the client and server code and some of the associated tools. It was never the intention to make a general release of Cyan's Ages and the assets used within them (e.g. textures), probably since that's material that can use elsewhere within paying projects. It was however implied that some game assets may be made available as a kind of "starter pack" or that access to Age data may be made available to trusted individuals on a case-by-case basis.

3. "It's not truly Open Source if we don't get all the Age data": Well, what Cyan have proposed is not at all unusual. Other Open Sourced games have gone exactly the same route, and several have been cited in other threads on these forums. Of course it's also true that some have gone the route of releasing everything. Neither makes the other a lie. They're just different approaches. Cyan did say though, that they'd serve the Ages for inclusion in other shards, but obviously that's not the same as releasing the data for modification.

Anyway, just my tuppence worth.

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Whilyam wrote:

I haven't really seen those versions of 2 and 3. When I hear "We can change anything in OS" I limit that to code, and I would hope that is true. Open Source Uru doesn't work if you only have some code released. Also, several things (including the KI and avatar) may not be code (KI textures, avatar models) but are crucial to any new developments in those areas, so they need to be released.

As for #3, I've never heard that. I've heard "It's not truly Open Source until we get all the code." or "It's not truly Open Source if the code is released with limitations/for a fee/etc.

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The 3D models and textures that were used to create Myst Online: Uru Live will not be part of the open source license. We will probably release some of these models and textures, but under a different license than the code source.

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Cyan Worlds, Inc. has agreed to put the program code sources for Myst Online: Uru Live into open source. The code sources that will be included are the code for the client, all the servers and tools.

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Nalates wrote:

You'll see, soon.

RAWA wrote:

"Soon" is a highly-technical term here at Cyan. It means later than "Now" but before "Someday". In this case, it means that someone's spare cycles are being spent on it. Given the nature of "spare cycles", there is no set timetable. It'll get done when it gets done.

The complete scale goes something like this: Now, Very Soon, Soon, Later Than Soon, Sooner Than Later, Later, Much Later, Eventually, Someday, Forget It

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CrisGer wrote:

Yes it is not helpful.

And Cyan can release whatever they want of the code. It is their game. That has been the fact from the start.

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