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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:28 pm 
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What if the stranger in Myst 5 DIDN'T give the Tablet to the Bahro? What if (s)he gave it to Esher instead? What if THAT'S the destruction that is coming?

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Yeah, I've been thinking about that ever since I heard,
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Q: Glad to meet you, Moke. Does Cyan plan to integrate any of the Myst V story into the new story being developed for Uru Live? Or will the Myst V happenings not fit well or at all?
M: Myst V story will not be ignored, but it might not fit the way you expect it to. That's all I can really say about that.


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I actually was thinking about mentioning that, but was to lazy to. Thanks for the quote.

Indeed, that would be worrying, if we have to stop Esher from doing nasty things with the Tablet. :shock:

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I read that (and other quotes from Cyan) as the Bahro were freed, but there may have been a purpose behind chaining them. Perhaps someone/thing controls the Bahro if the D'ni don't. Something like that. Perhaps we'll see the evil that killed Calam (or other things like it). I seem to remember RAWA saying something along the lines of "The bahro have been freed, it's a question of what they do with that freedom that will be the next part of the story."

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The actual quote was:

RAWA wrote:
"The nature of the Bahro when D'ni was alive and thriving and what their relationship was we really don't know. And what the significance of their freedom is, we really don't know what they're gonna do with that either."


So, I'm probably wrong. We had such a big argument a while ago about when Myst 5 had occurred, I'd forgotten that we'd also settled in it which ending had happened.

So Esher's probably out of the question. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that the "Esher" in my proposed recipe for destruction could merely be replaced with some renegade Bahro who doesn't like the D'ni, and doesn't distinguish between them and us...

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/me starts kniting hats and mittens for all the bahro

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The Bahro wouldn't try to kill us. They wouldn't! ;.;

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You chain someone to control them, or their actions.

I love thinking about the question "What did chaining the Bahro stop?".

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Maybe the D'ni weren't so bad after all!

Maybe they were protecting themselves fromn thr bahro by making them slaves?

Maybe Yeesha's got it all wrong?

Maybe there's something we don't know yet?????.... :shock:

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:lol: *starts jumping around*

*calms himself*

Then again maybe not..! 8)

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Consider this:

The person who knew the most about what the Bahro REALLY are was Esher. Unlike Yeesha, he actually studied them as any scientist would study a strange creature, perhaps he did not proceed with enough respect for their lives, but none-the-less, his research was clearly exhaustive.

In studying them, Esher grew to fear the Bahro. He was terrified of them. He constructed an elaborate santuary, one single chamber in the infinity of the cosmos where they could not reach him.

...And in the end, once they were freed, even that couldn't save him. Remember his sobs as the Bahro captured him. Twisted in with his standard villianious denial of his own defeat was a distinct edge of terror at what they would do to him.

I once happend across a theory that enslavement of the Bahro was vital to the act of linking itself, although clearly this is false.

Regardless, their newfound freedom will have a profound impact on the Myst universe, and I suspect it will not be quite as happy and wonderful as many clearly think.

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I got the feeling his fear and hate wasn't the results of a scientific study on the Bahro, but more akin to fear and hate in RL of people different than yourself.

His research may have been exaustive, but clearly his approach was biased. Hence, we CANNOT simply conclude that if Esher feared the Bahro, we should too. He simply did NOT retain the necessary scientific objectivity.

Certainly Esher learned a lot about the Bahro, but we don't know much of it, and can't really take his opinion of them at face value. We'd need to see the results of his research ourselves if we wanted to be in a position to conclude logically that the Bahro should or should not have been imprisoned.

Remember, it's probable that if there were dire reasons the Bahro were enslaved in the past, we'd know by now.

Clearly the Bahro hated Esher, and vice versa. But my take is that Esher hated the Bahro not because they were evil, but because of their response to what he did to them.

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There's no way to be certain that Esher's experiments were in any way scientific. Elaborate, perhaps. Meticulous, possibly. But scientific? We know nothing about his actual methods.

Perhaps this is a bit dodgy of an analogy, but what I saw on Noloben caused me to draw parallels to experiments performed on certain persons during World War II. And much of the "research" from those experiments wasn't dismissed merely because of ethical concerns; it was unusable! It was just plain bad science, poorly controlled and contrived.

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