As a result of this thread, I downloaded and installed the Gehn-Shard to try it out. What a disgrace to URU. I can't understand the purpose. Nothing works. I found linking books for Teledahn and Kadesa and neither works. I found the linking book to the cleft and went there. I found six of the seven journey cloths. I can't get the seventh since the imager with the blue button is not working. Of the three Relto pages I found, only two work.

If people are working on this project to make it entirely open source, they have a long way to go. I have now uninstalled it. Maybe I'll take another look in a few months. In the meantime, I'll stick with MOUL!

If this commentary violates any user rules, please delete it.

Cal

And so, instead of posting on the Gehn Shard forum to request assistance/report bugs, you opt to troll on another website? I would have thought the former would be the way to actually solve problems, but I have been known to be wrong about things before.

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Before making such a judgment, I would suggest you visit this forum on the Guild of Writers website and familiarize yourself with the progress of the shard. I haven't used it myself, but it sounds like you have the opportunity to contribute to bug reporting, as Adam suggests. Focus on how you can contribute to open source development, and as RAWA would say, set your expectations accordingly.

It might help to consider the question, when confronted with the game barely functioning as you describe, whether what you experienced might be a problem not universal to the shard's other users. In such a case the best answer would be to ask for confirmation and/or help with the issue. Instead, by posting a pessimistic and accusatory tale of your problems on another forum, you are spreading unconfirmed negative information which is unlikely to solve the problem either for yourself or others who may have similar problems, as well as having potentially damaging social effects on the open source project. Of course, for the people who work very hard to make Gehn as excellent as it is, it's also downright insulting.

In nearly every way Gehn provides a better experience for its users than MOULa (of course, aside from some as-yet-unimplemented game features). Your experience is not matched by reports from the rest of its users, or its developers.

If you would like to actually file a bug report or ask for assistance, please do so. Improvements can only be made through the willing contributions of the community and constructive feedback.

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Cal, I feel bad for you. First because you kinda stepped right in it there and insulted multiple people on multiple fronts - pretty much everyone involved in, or supportive of, open source Uru. Second because you don't seem to have the mettle to be a beta tester which is a very special breed of explorer.

Yes, stick with MOULa, but remember that many of the bug fixes implemented there were developed and tested on shards.

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Tai'lahr wrote:

Cal, I feel bad for you. First because you kinda stepped right in it there and insulted multiple people on multiple fronts - pretty much everyone involved in, or supportive of, open source Uru. Second because you don't seem to have the mettle to be a beta tester which is a very special breed of explorer.

Yes, stick with MOULa, but remember that many of the bug fixes implemented there were developed and tested on shards.

Don't be so hard on him. If this were a Cyan beta this complaint wouldn't even exist.

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I tried to find an appropriate place on the Guild of Writers forum and couldn't figure out where best to put my comments. I wasn't sure what I was going to find in Gehn. I thought it might be a working version of URU with some new experimental areas to explore. It is not even close to a working version and the only new area is the Vohod (sp?) gallery. The gallery is beautiful but I found nothing to do there. It is similar to K'veer in function.

I tried in the forums to find the purpose and philosophy behind the Gehn Shard and couldn't find it.

If I have offended anyone, I am truly sorry. That was not my intent. They say "First impressions are lasting impressions". I hope I am wrong in the case of Gehn.

As I said in my original post, if a moderator wants to delete my post and the entire thread (now that it has been moved), that is fine with me and I will understand. I will go back to the GOW forums and try to find a place to post my comments.

Thank you all for your patience.

Cal

Indeed; give Ghen Shard a break. Somethings are suppose to be broken, and the entire purpose of the shard is to beta test so that these problems can get fixed. How else are they suppose to successfully port Bullet physics, unicode support, or add Linux support without hitting MANY MANY snags along the way?

If you want to help these things get fixed, then by all means do your best and report the bugs in the PROPER manner. Otherwise, yes, stick to MOULa.

Tomala wrote:

If this were a Cyan beta this complaint wouldn't even exist.

This is in fact true. Likewise, the same can be said of other companies like Blizzard and Bioware. That's what happens when you have "fanboys."

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calroger wrote:

I tried in the forums to find the purpose and philosophy behind the Gehn Shard and couldn't find it.

If I have offended anyone, I am truly sorry. That was not my intent. They say "First impressions are lasting impressions". I hope I am wrong in the case of Gehn.

Your complaints were legitimate. However, there's a proper way to handle these things that benefit not only you, but the dev team of Ghen Shard too.

So no, I think the moderators will keep this thread around. I hope you enjoy Ghen in the future though, it's where (And openuru.org's Minkata shard as well) the under-the-hood changes can really happen.

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Eh, I wasn't hard on him; I said I felt bad for him.
ADHD is an epidemic that can strike anyone, even our own community members.
Too many people don't take the time to read the instructions, and yes, I find that aggravating.

PaladinOfKaos wrote:

If you haven't tried Gehn yet, we have easy-to-follow instructions available.

Those instructions include the following lines:

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The Gehn Shard is maintained by the Guild of Writers to showcase the latest work done by the artists and programmers at the Guild.

Because Gehn represents the cutting edge of development, there might be bugs not present on other shards. We provide a forum area to report and discuss issues with the shard.

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Aye, aye! As they say in the Navy (I served for 9 1/2 years). It means "I understand and I will obey"

I will heed the comments and guidance posted here and go back and check out the Guild of Writers forum further.

i will continue to play on MOUL but will check Gehn_Shard from time to time.

Sorry if I ruffled some feathers. I'll try not to do it again.

Ca

(edit) I just posted a message on GOW forum with a list of the problems I found.

I understand your frustration, Cal. Unfortunately one of the fixes that made it into the new build had some unforeseen consequences in the Cleft which made it past our (admittedly limited due to manpower) dev testing. You found a bug that seems to have resulted from a typo made when addressing random seeds in the game scripts, and as it is new no one else had reported it to us yet! So, thanks for finding it! Next time please try to be a little less quick to apply aspersions on the entire endeavor.

As for the intent and goals of Gehn Shard: we're making changes to fix the core stability and performance, as well as playability in the engine. We can't as yet fix many things in the actual game without permission from Cyan.

This is definitely a development and testing shard, and several of our patches have already made it into Cyan's official client (thought sadly that path is slow and many very nice patches are still working their way through). That said, however, we try very hard to make Gehn a stable and enjoyable experience for our users. We dedicate a lot of time to this end. Sadly, mistakes happen and bugs get through, and you happened to come across a crazy one right after it slipped into the live environment. Fortunately, though, you reported it and we've taken steps to fix it. Everything should be back in working order very soon, and I hope you have a better experience.

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That's an issue most couldn't see while playing on Gehn because we have already all passed the Cleft & most have already finish Yeesha Journey (some with ease...some with pulling hair time ).

As Deledrius said, Gehn is a testing shard and it should always seen like that.

/me still wonders what are "The changes under Da Hood" Deledrius was referring to in in Gehn 7.0 updates. I went there... and there's nothing new beside the void coloured in orange, yellow & black as usual.

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I would prefer if it were not thought of as totally a testing shard... I don't want for people to have the mentality that they should only be on Gehn when there is something new to try out... The new stuff should just be the gravy.

The "changes under the hood" are the usual sweeping changes that help us get closer to having a native linux client

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AdamJohnso wrote:

The "changes under the hood" are the usual sweeping changes that help us get closer to having a native linux client

Sweet... you could build a minimalistic testing/devel shard on just one box.

Any chance someone is working on building a Windows based server solution? (/me ducks...) I was able to build most of the database in Windows version of PostgreSQL except I couldn't figure out how to get the uuidgen function to compile properly. (Or any of the other server code... )