Rusty, maybe this old thread is helpfull: click

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Rusty_Russell wrote:

Here's how it went originally in 2005 when Myst V came out:

ABM Prologue -> 50 year gap -> Myst V -> Moul

The retcon was in 2007. I am still looking for something official from 2005 about Myst V being set 50 years after prologue,.

MOUL was never, ever, set at any time but the present. This is an absolutely absurd claim. EoA's timeline is ambiguous, MOUL's is not. I don't understand how you can possibly believe that was ever the case. The closest I can come is that you trust (to an unreasonable extent) your memory of someone telling you that EoA takes place 50 years after ABM, but then Gondar convinced you that MOUL takes place after EoA and what you took away from that (rather than any sensible conclusion) is that MOUL must also be 50 years after ABM. That was never ever canon. That's just your personal misinterpretation of this entire thread. I was there throughout Until Uru and D'mala and MOUL, and there weren't any 50 year jumps.

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EoA's timeline wasn't ambiguous... there's a map with a DRC logo on it in the game

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AdamJohnso wrote:

EoA's timeline wasn't ambiguous... there's a map with a DRC logo on it in the game

Russell's claim is that it was set 50 years in the future, which although I don't believe is supported anywhere is certainly not refuted by the presence of DRC paraphenalia.

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Bogardan Mage, try this.

Tweek wrote:

Ah I can see where you are causing people confusion.

Originally it was ABM Prologue/UU - > 50 year gap -> Myst 5. Uru always is and has been set in present day. MOUL hadn't happened yet when Myst 5 was released. When it was it would have still happened before Myst 5.

Then the 50 year gap was retconned out and Myst 5 took place in 2005.

(you're welcome to quote this if you want)

Note that when MOUL first came out, people discussed the context of MOUL and some thought it happened before Myst V ajnd some after. If you accept that it followed Myst V then you automatically had a 50 year gap between URU and MOUL!
As I said before, to that end Yeesha behaves differently in URU ABM and MOUL when she appears at the end of the prime ages, being hologram, solid in URU and hologram, hologram in MOUL.
I know that URU is present day and I have never said anything about that.

Yeesha's timeline (Not Cyan):
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/925789-myst-v-end-of-ages/faqs/59210

Ghidra wrote:

I may be wrong, but I think I have the chronology correct regarding the Life of
Yeesha. She appears in Exile as a newborn; later in Myst IV "Revelation" she
appears as a 10 year old cutie. In the game URU, which was created before
Revelation she appears to be anywhere from mid 20s to a mid 30 something woman.
Lastly in "End of Ages" she appears as an older 50 something woman with graying
at the temples.

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Rusty_Russell wrote:

Bogardan Mage, try this.

Tweek wrote:

Ah I can see where you are causing people confusion.

Originally it was ABM Prologue/UU - > 50 year gap -> Myst 5. Uru always is and has been set in present day. MOUL hadn't happened yet when Myst 5 was released. When it was it would have still happened before Myst 5.

Then the 50 year gap was retconned out and Myst 5 took place in 2005.

(you're welcome to quote this if you want)

Note that when MOUL first came out, people discussed the context of MOUL and some thought it happened before Myst V ajnd some after. If you accept that it followed Myst V then you automatically had a 50 year gap between URU and MOUL!
As I said before, to that end Yeesha behaves differently in URU ABM and MOUL when she appears at the end of the prime ages, being hologram, solid in URU and hologram, hologram in MOUL.
I know that URU is present day and I have never said anything about that.

Arg! Post a link! How do I know Tweek really said that? How do I know what the context is? Why don't you ever post links?

Actually I'm pretty sure that you didn't fabricate that post, if only because you don't appear to have read it. Tweek makes it perfectly clear that MOUL does not take place 50 years after ABM. Either MOUL takes place after EoA or EoA takes place 50 years after ABM. You cannot have it both ways! And yet for some reason you're trying to argue that there was ever a point when both were indeed true. This is demonstrably false and Tweek agrees with me!

Of course Tweek and I disagree about the timeline of EoA. I'd very much like to know when Tweek believes this "retcon" took place, as your 2007 date appears to have been conjured out of thin air and is refuted by Geert. I'd also like to know if Tweek is again stating only his own opinion, and what it's based on. This is why I ask for links!

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Round and round and round we go, where it stops, nobody knows.

The retcon date is RAWA's "Dr Watson was the protagonist in Myst V" and that was September 2007.
http://en.mystlore.com/wiki/Myst_V:_End_of_Ages
http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=205526#205526

Rusty_Russell wrote:

Round and round and round we go, where it stops, nobody knows.

The retcon date is RAWA's "Dr Watson was the protagonist in Myst V" and that was September 2007.

Nope. That thread was more than a year earlier and conclusively places EoA in 2005.

Also, I really shouldn't have to ask for links to your quotes again, and yet here we are.

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subumbra wrote:

Well I also always saw Myst V as being much further in the future, largely because of Yeesha's apparent age as compared to Uru.

From the thread you linked to. I stand by that. I also accept that the timeline has been retconned. I don't think anything else matters. Bogardan Mage, you are always going to disagree with something.

Rusty_Russell wrote:

subumbra wrote:

Well I also always saw Myst V as being much further in the future, largely because of Yeesha's apparent age as compared to Uru.

From the thread you linked to.

Right, because subumbra is the leading authority on the timeline and that was the only post in that thread.

Since you are apparently unwilling to actually read that thread I'll go through the highlights, i.e. not random people's opinions:
- The very first post talks about the official timeline on the DRC website. There is, of course, some argument that follows, but with the benefit of hindsight to suggest that the official line at that point was "EoA takes place in 2053" is obtuse.
- At the top of page 3 a chatlog is posted wherein Greydragon corroborates this interpretation.
- At the bottom of page 6 a quote from Rand in the DRC Liason meeting states unambiguously that Myst V happened in the past.

Now would you mind addressing any of the other points I've made? You'd think that I said nothing except "I don't know where you got the 2007 figure" when in fact that was a relatively minor aside.

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I do not wish to carry on this discussion. To me there's a 50 year gap between URU and Myst V that's been removed. To you, there isn't.

*fingers in ears* LALALALALALALALALA

Seems to be what the both of you are doing

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AdamJohnso wrote:

*fingers in ears* LALALALALALALALALA

Seems to be what the both of you are doing

I beg your pardon? I've been repeatedly asking for Russell to back up his claims and he's been repeatedly ignoring these requests, culminating in this absurd "agree to disagree" notion. I don't agree to that, but it's his choice if he doesn't want to argue any more. But please, if I've been ignoring something important please enlighten me! I've been desperately trying to figure out how on earth anyone could think MOUL takes place 50 years after ABM.

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I think there are a few other pieces of info that weigh against V's timing being a retcon, and that's ignoring the fact that there's been no hard evidence that it was ever presented in the future. (That one thread seems to just have someone speculating that it could have happened 50 years from now, not that it did.) Within the whole crazy meta-thing that the Uru timeline has become, all of the Myst games were created based on documents found during the DRC's excavation of D'ni. From an IC perspective, Myst V exists as a real game, a depiction of the actions of whoever freed the Bahro, which we later learned was Dr. Watson's doing. As such, since the game was released in 2005, the events it depicted had to have happened before that...and since we were flat-out told that Dr. Watson was the one responsible, the only place it could fit was between Prologue and MOUL.

Here's another fun tidbit: I purchased the special edition of Myst V, which came with a copy of the official strategy guide (in near-microscopic print, no less!). The guide is written from the perspective of one of the Explorers who had participated in the events of Prologue, and explicitly mentions the Restoration having ended previously, which implies that it was meant to be set soon after Prologue from the beginning. Now, granted, this isn't in-game canon, and guides aren't necessarily completely accurate: the official Myst and Riven guides were written from the perspective of someone in the present day, but given that Uru didn't even exist then, it's not really surprising that they wouldn't mesh with what came later. (Plus the whole "fictional games" thing again.) By Myst V, Cyan had the whole Uru storyline well in-hand, so I think one can assume that what's mentioned in there holds up.

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Rusty, having looked at everything on this thread, and all the threads linked to, I cannot see anything to support your theory. If there is something which states a 50-uear gap, please give me a link and an indication of where to look.

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