Hello everyone,

Here's a good one for puzzle lovers.

1. You bring a friend to your Teledahn.
2. You share the bahro stone near prison, giving him/her access to the Spyroom. If you don't know how to do this, just click the 2 hands at the bottom right of the stone. You will be able to share.

By doing this, 2 things will happen :

1. A link to the Spyroom will appear in your Nexus under 'Personal Links' but you will not be able to go there.
You will see a Nexus book instead. If you click on it, Nexus machine will close. Logical, because you are currently in Nexus.

2. In your KI, you will be able to send invitations to your Spyroom.

And now, the enigma.
Is it possible for you to join your friend currently in the Spyroom ?

Have a good day !

Mouski

No.

Vid charted this one out a while back. For some reason, when you share an instance of a hood-related age, it sends the person to your personal instance, which shouldn't exist and is likely due to the game not passing things properly or something. This is an old one.

The problem is that as you need to share to visit it, you can't ever get there because if someone shares you'll go to their version.
Well, ok, maybe if you use a trick with modified client to teleport to a specific age not what the engine would normally give.

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Sound like a job for Open Source bug fixes!

Gondar wrote

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No.

Vid charted this one out a while back. For some reason, when you share an instance of a hood-related age, it sends the person to your personal instance, which shouldn't exist and is likely due to the game not passing things properly or something. This is an old one.

The problem is that as you need to share to visit it, you can't ever get there because if someone shares you'll go to their version.

This is true only for Spyroom & Baron's City Office.

You can always share your D'ni-Tiwah & actually link there. I have some own descents and I can link there as much as I want to with the owner, for example link to Annabelle's Descent with Annabelle.

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Gondar wrote:

The problem is that as you need to share to visit it, you can't ever get there because if someone shares you'll go to their version.

His question was can you both be there at the same time? I can't confirm this without logging in and checking; However, to my memory, I remember it being possible, but it makes one avatar invisible or something.

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Jamie Marchant wrote:

Sound like a job for Open Source bug fixes!

This correct fix for this would be to disable the share icon, which should not be very hard to do. Ages of this type (child ages) are not meant to be shared with non-neighbors.

I guess this is not the kind of fix you had in mind though. Many people hate these child age links and would prefer to have them ported to a different type (be it personal or public). This however requires access to Cyan's Max source files in which these linking rules are hardcoded. Not to mention that it goes against a design decision made by Cyan. So even if this could be implemented on fan made shards there is still no guarantee that we'd see any changes here.

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Is it possible for you to join your friend currently in the Spyroom ?

Yes... i beleve it is Mouski

When you share a (ill call them Hood Links) you get sent to the Public version of that age.
So your friend should be in the Public City's Spy Room.
If you have a 3rd avvie share that bahro stone with you. You should also be sent to the Public City's Spy Room joining your friend.

I will try this out when i get home from work.

the Nexus has me thinking.... When you send a KI share to the Spy Room. Where does that Nexus share go? Public, Hood, or Personal. Could be useful if it goes public. Guess ill have to play around with it.

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D'Lanor wrote:

This correct fix for this would be to disable the share icon, which should not be very hard to do.

Fixed. Enjoy while you still can.

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Stone,

When you share the bahro stone to the spyroom, you don't go to the public city. It is impossible to go to the public city spyroom. If your friend is currently in the spyroom and you ask someone to share his/her stone with you in order to join your friend, you will land in another spyroom, not with your friend !

If you bring 2 avis in Teledahn and share the stone for both, they will land in the same spyroom, which makes sense. This is the only way to gather avis there but YOU have not joined your friend, another one did.

More so, if you go to your private city after sending someone to spyroom, you won't see his/her name in Age Players !! Even if your private city belongs to you (avi's name = hood name).

What is most interesting is this...
Person accepting the shared stone will go to the spyroom and you will see 'spyroom' in your KI for this person, on the right side of his name when you open your KI.
If you go to the spyroom yourself, either with brown book or bahro stone, your friends will see 'D'ni Aegura' for you, not the 'spyroom' !!! Consequently, to see someone in the 'spyroom' in the KI, a share MUST have been done prior.

And... if you type something while in the spyroom, your friend will see 'From <avi's name> in D'ni Aegura', either if they see you in spyroom (after a share) or not !

Bahro Stones and Public City
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Eder Gira stone. By sharing it, your friend goes to Tokotah Rooftop Public.
Gahreesen stone (on a chair). By sharing it, your friend goes to the public city balcony facing the museum.
Kadish stone. By sharing this one, your friend goes to public city balcony facing the gallery.
Hood stone. Person accepting the share will land in Public City, on top of the Great stairs.

That's it !

So, the answer to my question was: NO ! It is not possible to join your friend there.

Spyroom link in Nexus
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If you share the stone, your link will appear in 'Personal Links'. You cannot go there because you see a Nexus book.
If you send an invitation, Spyroom goes to 'Private Links'.

Mouski

I worked out the suspected path a bit ago for how it works. The best thing to tell would be one of the people who actually has dug into the guts of the game.. but what it feels like is the message for sharing is NOT passing all the information it needs, ever, and in turn it's using error-correcting code the whole time.
It seems the path is when a link to an age is provided, first step is to see if there's a proper public instance. In the case of Ae'gura (notably rooftops etc) and K'veer, this exists. So the person gets shunted there (I and others can verify this fact, as we used it infamously.. and moreso Vid did a far better writeup of the insanity of this*). If there isn't one, the next step is to assume you want that person's personal version. For an age like Teledahn or Ahnonay or relto, this works fine, as the assumption is you DO want them to go to your personal age. However, when you offer to share a book that links to a hood instanced item.. apparently it breaks down. Hoods are weird, and seem to operate by being an instance of the first person who created the hood, but not quite? The problem is if you try to share Descent, or the Spyroom, or what.. it first checks to see if there's a public version. It gets a no. So not understanding that you want someone else's instance, and not getting a reference, it sends to YOUR instance. The game past that point handles it, hence you can send invites. You can't use the nexus to visit tho cause you haven't visited it. There's no book since it's classed as a hood link and already has one, there's no personal book to exist. You can't get there via a share, because if X shares ti with you, you go to X's personal instance, not yours. Thus teleporting would be needed.

Interestingly, the only case that doesn't cover is what happens when a hood creator shares something like Descent. It would expose how much the game considers a hood THEIR instance or not.. my guess without testing and without wanting the hassle of creating a new avvie and new hood and run them through enough ages to get a stone to share just to test a pet theory.. is that it'd send them to that hood's instance, because it's "their" private instance.
If that's true, it'd explain why some people can claim you can indeed link to your own private instance somehow.. because it's the hood instance as well.
It also would be the only proper way to share those books without someone taking a whip to the code.


Of course, all this is based on status of the code as it was in MOUL. I don't think they actually dramatically changed, but I don't keep up on the feature list for the fan-designed patches so for all I know this was patched, or will be in the future.

*I'm serious. Vid did a great post explaining all this. Why are you not reading that? Go read it!

(Edit) I'm nice so went and dug up some of the stuff I've said before about this, and put links. My entire current theory of how the heek sharing works or moreso doesn't is found here. Unfortunately, vid's website that did host the chart is down. Sorry. It showed graphically the insanity of instancing. (/edit)

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