Where is this said disk?

Jamie Marchant wrote:

Where is this said disk?

I think he means the 'frisbee'.

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I don't see what that has to do with Telidan's sun.

Jamie Marchant wrote:

I don't see what that has to do with Telidan's sun.

I don't, either...

My best guess is, he's taking some irrelevant object, and affixing artificial importance to it, as a commentary on how we shouldn't be over-analyzing minor things????

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LOL that's my guess as well

Nah just a thought>
But it is not a frisbee, look at the image on it.

The one that says Mysterium 2000 on top of the falling man logo from the original Myst?

tommyap wrote:

Nah just a thought>
But it is not a frisbee, look at the image on it.

This is done...

http://www.customink.com/promo/personalized-frisbees.htm

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It took me a bit of time to squeeze the right info from the net as well as getting a bit distracted under way.

Lets see, what do we have here.
An explanation on rotation deformation and hydro-static equilibrium, general information mostly. The McLaurin and Jacobi parts are especially interesting. (and readable if you are not a scientist)
http://www.josleys.com/show_gallery.php?galid=313

excerpt:
MacLaurin shows that, as the angular momentum increases, the Earth will get ever more flat. The shape is an ellipsoid with two equal axes, rotating around the short axis. The ellipsoid becomes a disc with an ever increasing radius. The
rotation speed first increases, but the speed reaches a maximum and will then decrease. As the radius of the disc continues to grow and tends toward infinity, the rotation speed will tend toward zero: L can be expressed as L=ω.I, where I is the moment of inertia. For a constant mass, the moment of inertia of any object will get larger and larger as the object takes on a shape where a radial dimension becomes larger and larger. Therefore the rotation speed ω must go to zero for a
finite L and an ever increasing radius.


Some general stuff and some calculations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iridia/J_2

excerpt:
The quadrupole gravitational coefficient is a dimensionless value used in planetary physics to measure the distortion of the gravitational field of a spinning, oblate spheroid planet. A stationary planet will be perfectly spherical, and have a spherical surrounding gravitational potential: as its rotation speed increases, the planet will deform under the centrifugal force, developing an equatorial bulge. This redistribution of mass alters the shape of the gravitational potential around the planet. The magnitude of provides information on the planet's internal density structure, including the size of its most dense region, the core. is best found by measuring the path of spacecraft in orbit around or flying by a planet.
It can also be calculated, though with less precision, if the spin of a planet can be measured.


Than this is even more technical i am afraid from Jacobs university:
http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/jvogt/edu/spring09/c210392/prs/epp-gravity-PV4.pdf

So, for those of you who wish to calculate the general shape and size of Teledahn, here are the calculations you need. You may hit a bit of a problem collecting the nesecary data from Teledahn but there may be ways around it.

MUCH better than to asume Teledahn is some rigid cylinder rotating inside a washing-machine i think. You may not believe Teledahn is disc-shaped and can exist in our universe, but at least you will be able to check it out yourselves if you wish to
do so.

tommyap

Are you next going to tell us that Terry Pratchet's Diskworld is real? Sorry, but any object formed by natural processes in space will be hit by meteorites. Such a thin disk as you propose would be smashed to oblivion. Think the meteorite at the K-T event (dino extinction for those of you not versed in archaeological names).

By the way, we are making some more progress on the type of technology that the disk could employ. And I feel that I ought to mention that a certain Ventus industrialised the Age. When we get around to publishing our findings, feel free to read it.

And a quick question. If the DRC forums are opened, would this thread be transferred over there, under the pretence of being a wholly IC discussion?

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DLordofTime wrote:

And a quick question. If the DRC forums are opened, would this thread be transferred over there, under the pretence of being a wholly IC discussion?

Mac_Fife wrote:

It'd be neat if we could simply move threads from here to the DRCsite, but they're completely seperate forums so that's not possible (unless someone could do some database wizardry but that's beyond any realm of practicality, I expect).

Emor D'ni Lap wrote:

IC, if you want to create a "reason" for Teledahn's sun behavior, you should do the same for Relto. It doesn't have to be the same reason, but if this is an "issue" with you for one Age, then you must have the same problem with the other, too.

Remember who wrote Relto - and the accompanying pages. Obviously, that sun (and probably the moon) are also artificial.

If the "sun" is in front of the clouds, it must exist within the atmosphere. I don't claim to be an authority on astronomy, but I don't know of any "natural" stellar objects that small.

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TOOO wrote:

Emor D'ni Lap wrote:

IC, if you want to create a "reason" for Teledahn's sun behavior, you should do the same for Relto. It doesn't have to be the same reason, but if this is an "issue" with you for one Age, then you must have the same problem with the other, too.

Remember who wrote Relto - and the accompanying pages. Obviously, that sun (and probably the moon) are also artificial.

If the "sun" is in front of the clouds, it must exist within the atmosphere. I don't claim to be an authority on astronomy, but I don't know of any "natural" stellar objects that small.

.......aaaaaaand THIS is where it becomes impossible to continue this as an IC conversation. Your issues with astronomy should be discarded in the name of the 'willing suspension of disbelief'--- a necessary component of remaining in-character.

In the Myst series, there are 5 games, there are 3 books, in addition to URU... It is a KNOWN fact of the Myst canon, that the D'ni had the power to influence & determine the positions of REAL planets, REAL suns, REAL stars, and REAL moons when using the Art to create an Age. To the best of my knowledge-- in 5 other games and 3 books, there has not been ONE mention of an artificial sun or artificial moon EVER being placed in an Age.

The closest that you come to that, is Ahnonay, which has certain elements that are supposed to be phony, designed to fool people--- but those are aspects of the storyline-- the author of the Age was trying to fool the D'ni people into thinking he could control time within the Ages he wrote, to convince them he was the Grower. That is NOT the same thing as using 'real' astronomy to claim it is consistent with CANON that Yeesha put a phony sun & moon in Relto. Not at all.

When you call attention to the shortcomings, glitches and goofs, and 'unrealistic' aspects of game & story elements, such as the digital graphics-- and offer them up as proof that certain aspects of the game & story can't be real.... you are NOT being IC. Period.

Emor and TOOO have made the point clear.. if you carry this 'disc' theory to its logical destination, it ultimately violates Myst canon.

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DLordofTime wrote:

I will make one final point. You are all OOC people, I am an IC person. OOC points of view and IC points of view are incompatible. I prefer to find an IC reason behind whatever I can, you all want to attribute it to some sort of flaw somewhere.

But I leave you with one parting question: Why did they put the sun so low down, where it is free to pass behind qand intersect with mountains?

Little late... but needed to respond - I don't check these forums nearly enough.


I am VERY much an IC person - I had an IC blog, an IC twitter account - I had my IC avatar - my content development for PotS (fan ages) had an IC side to it.. I did a *lot* of IC. You, however? Your comments do /not/ make *SENSE* from an IC point of view. You are viewing artifacts of Uru being a GAME in an IC-light - these things are typically ignored to continue to "suspension of disbelief" that IC /depends/ upon.

DLordofTime wrote:

And a quick question. If the DRC forums are opened, would this thread be transferred over there, under the pretence of being a wholly IC discussion?

Yes, as that is the designated IC site and most people know that it is. As I've said before though, it would take a lot of work to dig through the database just to grab the thread and the posts within the thread so that they can put them in the DRC site DB. It wouldn't be worth the effort.

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