If you are worried about how to IC (in Character) handle the addition of user created ages, read what I wrote on the third page about it.

If that explaination isn't good enough for you I can't help ya.


http://www.urulive.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Personally I would rather have the D'ni be the only ones who could write. Cyan at one point made a joke when asked when we would be able to write and I personally feel from an IC standpoint thats true.

When asked if we could write ages they replied something about if we wanted to take and learn to write over the course of the next 100 years. In another words explorers can't write. I personally would rather write a story around someone finding the book to the age and restoring it. Be it DRC or someone else. And then have the Age have a backstory on who wrote it and why.

It didn't take Atrus 100 years to write...he learnt about the language from his mother yes, but it took him 3 years in the environment to learn how to write better than his father who learned over the course of 30 years.

Its been 2 years since the DRC pulled out, do you really think that if D'ni was actually real (yes I'm aware its not but IC deals with its being real) that people wouldn't have been hunting through everything they could find about the Art, some would be writing Gehn style but persistance would win.

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Although it's true that having explorers writing ages does take some of the magnificence away from the D'ni, I think it is in fact, the natural progression of the storyline.

The exploreres are being taught by Yeesha how to avoid the mistakes of the past and become the new D'ni, and with that would naturally come writing new ages.

Additionally, speaking purely in terms of an online game, it opens up a virtually infinite amount of new material for the game, as well as providing a nice hook to keep players around.

"Come play Uru, create an avatar, create a world. Invite friends to hang out in your private garden age, or go exploring with them into the ages of others, and unlock the hidden mysteries of the D'ni. "

Now come on, you have to admit that would be quite a draw for players.

The fact is that Cyan never said that only the D'ni could write, and the latest interviews now indicate they want players making ages. It's not impossible to explain, it's not even improbable, it's what the previous incarnation of Uru was a prelude to.

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I love this thread …

I see I hit a nerve – some of you appear to be reading too much into my reply. Judging by the response - the fans that have plans to actually create their own Ages feel threatened by my post. No need to – I’m just throwing objections your way. And incidentally I personally have neither the time nor the desire to sit down for days creating a Fan Built Age myself – I’d rather leave that to the experts at Cyan.

If it evolves that Cyan allow Fan Created Ages into Uru Live – then so be it. But, I have to say that I still haven’t read anywhere that this is going to be the case (please don’t hit me with ambiguous quotes you’ve heard). Cyan may employ something along the lines of Fan Created Ages in their wisdom - to try and keep the numbers up – perhaps a more simpler scenario with the Age Creating Explorer ‘in character’.

They may use some ideas from the fans – this is partly what this forum is for. All the Age builders out there who are burning the midnight oil ought not to set their expectations too high - I simply can't see Cyan employing all these Age Creators to help them build a game. We simply do not have anything concrete at this stage.

I’m still of the opinion that the Uru story will take a hammering if we have all and sundry creating Ages. Do the Age Builders keep this incredible ability a secret when they periodically visit the surface? Is it going to affect World Affairs? How many Ages is it per Explorer? Do fans actually want other Explorers writing Ages for them? With countless Ages popping up here and there – isn’t the whole story of Uru going to go from the ridiculous to the sublime?

I can’t speak for anyone else – but I’d feel more comfortable with Uru Live content coming entirely from Cyan themselves.

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From the morning chatlog with Chogon:

(06/03 08:58:02) Kero: If fan created ages are allowed - how will they be QA'd to prevent ordinary explorers from being trapped with no way out?
(06/03 08:58:2 Chogon: Maintainers suits.
(06/03 08:58:4 Chogon: Ok, there will be somethng more than that
(06/03 08:59:52) Chogon: That is something that we need to develop as part of the scheme for fan created ages. That is why they need to start on a separate server... explorers beware.
(06/03 09:00:34) Chogon: Then once they pass some kind of bar, then brought into the more public areas... or something like that.


It doesn't sound very ambiguous to me, but I see how it might be taken as such. Oh well.

It also sounds like the fan ages will be given the thrashing on an alternate server before Cyan lets them into official Uru Live. That sounds ideal: if you want to remain IC you can stay on one server and wait for Cyan to deliver the fan Ages they like, and otherwise you can hop over and see them during construction.

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It's not just the IC aspect that bothers me. Actually that's the least of it.
I really want only Cyan's content in a Cyan game.

If people want to make ages and visit them with thier friends, why can't Cyan release the tools for them to make ages for UU?


But, I don't have a say in what Cyan does. So whatever happens, so be it. I willl still be a loyal Myst Nut and play.

I can see why your concerned with others feelings, hopes and dreams.
There will always be a small number of persons who get offended
what other might say, no matter what there intentions, hopes or
expectations where.
Sure I daydream from time to time to get good enough
to live up to the standard of working for real at Cyan.
All come down to that most creators see beond that,
we live to share our dreams, give you an experiance and tell a tale.
We see the oppertunity to co-exist with cyan,
which is enough for most of us.

All come down to how all is introduced, handled
and presentated within the game.
As we stand on the brink of something new in the storyline itself,
there can be numerous ways to handle player created material.

for example:
the grower makes and lead us the called with the least
creating a new dni world where we can flurish, both
remeness and discover old dni as we taking on creating a new world
according to her and the leasts rules.

In this form the grower and the least will grant us
forms of expression which is not realy the acctual
old art of writing ages. Safe form of pre-defiened lego.

And from a server perspective its handling is
beside the original storyline,
perhaps an alternative login,
or just a special nexus, could even be
part of a new "the least" city etc

BUT as the settings and handling is not known, we are
at a stand still, amazed and thrilled of what might lay ahead.

As I have been working on game projects myself,
rest asure they have and will take deep thought
on minimise any consern you might have.

If Cyan put fan made age in Untíl Uru, it would draw players away from Uru, and thus hurt the number of subscriptions.

As for only wanting Cyan content, I doubt anyone is going to force you to go look at the fan made ages. I would imagine that you can just ignore them and only play around in the offical Cyan made ages if that's what suits you.

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Owehn wrote:

From the morning chatlog with Chogon:

(06/03 08:58:02) Kero: If fan created ages are allowed - how will they be QA'd to prevent ordinary explorers from being trapped with no way out?
(06/03 08:58:2 Chogon: Maintainers suits.
(06/03 08:58:4 Chogon: Ok, there will be somethng more than that
(06/03 08:59:52) Chogon: That is something that we need to develop as part of the scheme for fan created ages. That is why they need to start on a separate server... explorers beware.
(06/03 09:00:34) Chogon: Then once they pass some kind of bar, then brought into the more public areas... or something like that.

This has already been sugested in this post
http://urulive.cyanworlds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50

If there were tools available for Max, I'd be all over it right now... Never got the hang of blender myself.

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Tokai, nothing ambiguous about it. You've missed GD's response to my question on the Cyanworlds Until URU forum:

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Originally posted by Rusty_Russell:
GD, what are your (collective) views on fan-made ages on UU shards (except D'mala)?

Thanks.
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Cyan wants fan-made ages in Uru Live. The topic of fan-made ages and all that is entailed in that discussion will be addressed at a later date.

As for your question, I don’t have an answer at this time.

We all want Uru Live to succeed – Cyan more than anybody. Competition is rife out there! And Cyan have to pull something out of the bag that will work (we have been down this road before). They have to weigh up players’ response to many factors – they don’t want to chase members away – their goal is to encourage old and new players alike. At the same time they will consider the large fan base members’ requests. Ultimately it is more than likely they will play it by ear and generally implement what they think will make the game popular and easy to play (especially for new members).

Some of the Fan Created Ages fraternity are still posting quotes in this thread as if they were written in blood – i.e.-

‘Cyan wants fan-made ages in Uru Live. The topic of fan-made ages and all that is entailed in that discussion will be addressed at a later date’ (this isn’t a statement saying that there will be fan created Ages!). Cyan wants fan-made Ages? I want to be a billionaire – but I doubt that’ll happen.

‘If fan created ages are allowed - how will they be QA'd to prevent ordinary explorers from being trapped with no way out? (If fan created Ages are allowed!).

From what I can glean from all the quotes I’ve read – Cyan want to please everybody, and all requests / suggestions will be considered. That’s all – to re-iterate – there is nothing carved in stone yet.

I stand by my earlier posts – there is no clear statement from Cyan stating we’ll have Fan Created Ages in Uru Live. If - and when there is – I’m sure they will make it absolutely clear one way or another. If we do get a clear statement – saying we will definitely have Fan Created Ages – then, as I said before – so be it - that’s the end of this little debate. I’m still not in favour of Cyan using Fan Created Ages – I would prefer all game content coming out of the Cyan house, or at least created by ourselves in the game (IC).

All these people that are so eager to create Ages – should be permitted to create them for Until Uru only.

I will still be there in Uru Live, Fan Created Ages or not – will you?

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I will, Tokai.

Tokai wrote:

All these people that are so eager to create Ages – should be permitted to create them for Until Uru only.

As much as I disagree about this point there's something to be said about it: I think a number of the 'Age creators' would be content with just that. Creating Ages that can only be enjoyed via UU (or offline) We have strived to create tools for the last two years, and yet there was no Live in sight... (Heck, for a time there wasn't even UU.)
This isn't an argument against custom Ages in Live, just a simple observation. I still think custom Ages would be the best thing for Live, only second to a new camera system.
That said, Cyan won't support UU, and I don't see why they'd released tools only for UU.