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Whilyam

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:11 pm — Post subject:

Yali wrote:

If you check the booklet in the Riven Soundtrack, apparently Watson and his DRC associates made it to 233. Shocked



Really? Could you get a quote of that because that would be some really great news. (even though 233 wouldn't be in very good condition / close to death)


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:12 pm — Post subject:

I'm more interested in seeing new places, or rather, places I've never seen before, rather than rehashing places I've already visited.

(Technical comments follow, skip if not your cup of tea)

The Plasma engine doesn't use a polygon count anywhere high enough to do Riven justice. At least not currently. Maybe in the future...

Even realMYST is slightly lower on the polygon count than the original MYST in certain places.

As I've said elsewhere, I wouldn't mind if Cyan let Ubi take a whack at upgrading Riven to the Exile/Revelation engine. That would work well.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:30 pm — Post subject:

"The construction of Gehn's office on Age 233 must have been a turning point for Gehn. This office provided him with complete physical protection from potential enemies, as well as unparalleled, immediate acces to all five of the Riven islands.

Though we know Gehn mostly used the office as a dwelling, and a ceremonial D'ni facility for the writing of Ages, not much is known about the office, nor Age 233, until very recently. In late October 1997, three pages, apparently torn out of one of Gehn's old journals, were discovered by D'ni historian Dr. Richard Watson during a routine expedition to D'ni.

On the following pages, partial translations of this document are provided taken from Gehn's office during further expeditions to Age 233 ."

Do I here Uru Live? Cool (seems like they had it planned out all the way back then)

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:45 pm — Post subject:

You have me completely enthralled Yali – good post. It’s this mystique that keeps Myst alive!


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:29 pm — Post subject:

can anyone scan the soundtrack booklet just as a way to blackmail the cyantists to do age 233? Razz

also with the great tree of possibilties, isnt it possible that an alternate gehn actually did a Riven right? or that an alternate atrus repaired an alternate Riven? so if we could write a linking book to that version of Riven (considering the descriptive book was already written in an alternate version of our world) we would have access to a Riven just like the one we saw before opening the fissure... everything working and alive and no Gehn...

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:51 pm — Post subject:

Tokai wrote:

Reading through my initial post got me thinking, ‘just be careful you don’t bump into yourself’.


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As to the journal pages, that last sentence seems rather poorly constructed. I actually looked it up because I thought it might have been typoed during transcription (nothing against Yali, but I've seen transcription errors before Wink), but that is actually how it's written. It just reads wrong, though, like there's a word missing, or an extra word stuck in somewhere. It's hard to figure out the gist of it, because Gehn was already trapped on Riven by the time he wrote Age 233, so somehow those journal pages made their way back to D'ni for Dr. Watson to find. Either that, or a link to Age 233 was brought back to D'ni (for whatever reason), and Dr. Watson took a trip there and recovered the pages from 233 while expeditioning in D'ni. In either case, I wouldn't wholly discount seeing either Riven or Age 233 again in the future, if only because Yeesha could still be involved with things, and Age 233 provides even more fuel for the fire of her opinions, and a non-destroyed Riven could probably be easily attainable for her if she does indeed - as I've seen claimed somewhere I don't remember offhand - have the ability to explicitly specify the precise instance of an Age when writing a link to it... something the D'ni could not do.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:23 pm — Post subject:

If they did manage to link to 233, this begs the question: Where is the descriptive book?

Possibility 1:
If it was on Riven (which by all official information imploded) then the links to the age should no longer work for lack of a descriptive book…unless Riven is, in fact, intact.

Possibility 2:
Ghen actually went back with a linking book to 233 and linked to 233 with its own descriptive book (Meaning that the 233 book is on 233 itself), but then how did a linking book get here?

Possibility 3:
Atrius or Catherine smuggled the descriptive book back to D’ni at the end of Riven.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:49 pm — Post subject:

What if Gehn escaped from his prison Age, having brought a linking book to 233 with him. Remember "Mr. Angry" harassing Yeesha and Calam in those pictographs from tpots, could have been Gehn. Cool

It would also make for a neat plot twist to have Gehn escape after both Sirrus and Achenar. I can imagine that after her encounters with the brothers, Yeesha was destined to discover the only family member that aroused her curiosity so tremendously, her grandfather, in order to learn about D'ni and the true nature of her family. I can see the events of The Book of Yeesha taking place as I write this. Gehn kills Calam for some reason or another, Yeesha kills Gehn, and that is when she knows she is The Grower. No wonder she hated him so much in that journal in Myst V. Cool

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:57 pm — Post subject:

I wrote on Uru Obsession a while back on the evidence for Calam's killer to be Gehn. Here's a sample point I made: Evil is personified exactly twice during Yeesha's M5 journals: once as Gehn, once as Calam's murderer.

On the other hand, Yeesha says she killed the murderer in a fit of rage. However, she is unsure whether Gehn is still imprisoned, or whether he has died. This sounds to me like she didn't kill him herself.


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:13 am — Post subject:

I'm faily sure riven was destroyed as bits of it are lying arround the volcano. However if a tellyscopie thing can make it down unscaved then so could the descriptive book for age 233 and as we know the MYST book. Aslo I'm sure Yeesha makes many wonderfull tricks and botches as she learns her new moves in the art that makes timetravel possible to Riven, afterall the descriptive book may never have been destroyed. Maybe she at somepoint picks up where daddy left off to restore the age.
And hows this for an incentive story line... What if She frees grandad on purpose for some reason such as family reunian, pitty, loneliness... Or her darkside comes out again.

And maybe it wasn't even Ghen who killed Calem. Calem must have been very different at the begining, and eventually became friends with Yeesha and sharing commone ground and maybe changing his beliefs. As He was a D'ni Writer he must have threatend any old D'ni's way of life. But then maybe that old D'ni was Ghen.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:33 am — Post subject:

According to other posts in this thread that quote official sources, Riven collapsed in on itself (imploded) long before all of it could fall into the fissure, so whatever you left there was destroyed in such a way that Yeesha might not even be able to recover it (Although an entirely new one is still possible).

As for the “Ghen Returns” storyline, I like the idea even if the “ghosts of Atrius Past” story is getting worn thin…The only issue I see is that Atrius, even being much younger than his father Ghen, died a few years after the events of URU; we hear his last words in the Myst V intro, so if Ghen came back now...he would be in pretty bad shape (how old would he be today?).

Who I really want to see is Atrius, seeing that he is still alive for sure. Cyan is going to need to deal with Atrius in URU Live some day, he can’t stay locked up in Releshan forever. Razz

BTW, another vote for age 233 being in Live!

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:18 am — Post subject:

But Some of it did make it through the fissure. You can see evidence of this by walking round the volcano, who knows where the rest went or where the myst book was picked up.

Abouts Ghens age, i'm not sure its been a long while since I read the novels but I think the old D'ni had a much longer life span.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:19 pm — Post subject:

I would imagine that the torn pages and the linking book from 233 were either taken by Atrus and Catherine or by the Stranger.

The descriptive book is either in 233 or 234 using the same process that was described (linking through with the descriptive book).

Still, this proves that, at least during the time when Riven was being made by Cyan, that 233 was still working. Perhaps 233 wasn't as flawed by Ghen's writing?


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:38 pm — Post subject:

I think I remember reading somewhere that it was unknown whether Age 233 is unstable. I suppose this could be read as "Age 233 hasn't shown any signs of collapsing yet," in which case it's certainly possible that the DRC has been there.


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:38 pm — Post subject:

Yeah I read speculation in another topic that 233 might have been one of the most stable of Ghen's ages since he didn't have anything to copy from.


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