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Take a look! According to Stephan Martiniere's book "Quantumscapes", these two Ages are the same place...



Very awesome...hmm...I wonder what all the artifacts are from Gira. Were they from the prisoners of Tahgira? Did they end up making their way from the icy Tahgira to the warmer Eder Gira area?

And why was Gira a Rest Age? Was it originally a Rest Age and became a Prison Age after being "used up," as Teledahn was used up?

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Could it be that when he initially designed the Ages they were the same, but then when they were implemented in Uru and then some of the ideas were recycled in Myst 5 (they were, right?) they were changed somewhat? So originally there was going to be an Age called Tahgira but then Cyan decided to change it a bit and rename it Eder Gira. And then when Myst 5 came along they recycled some of the parts of the original Tahgira that weren't used in Gira and kept the name?

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Tahgira was likely a working title for the art and it was changed to Eder Gira to fit with the story and to make Kemo not look so strange out by itself. Gira and Tahgira are most certainly NOT the same age. Stephen is merely calling Gira by the name he worked on it with.

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Gira and Tahgira are most certainly NOT the same age.

How do you know that for sure? Do you have official confirmation?
Why couldn't they be the same Age? It's not like we used a D'ni Linking Book to link from Gira to Tahgira, or anything like that which would make it impossible to be the same place. I just don't know why you're so emphatic that it can't be...

looking at that forest picture there, it does look an awful lot like the greener part that you can see in Eder Gira, but not get to. Especially those kind of stone towers you see there.

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It could be, but I wouldn't put any money on it.

But I must admit, those trees look very similar.

One thing I tend to dislike is the idea that an age has only one look. I mean Earth has deserts, forests, and blizzards all on the same age. Why can't others have different regions?

In this case my frustration makes no sense thought cause Tahgira was specifically made as a prison age and as such probably wasn't made to be big and expansive. I guess it still could be on some remote portion of the same age as Gira.

Basically, I don't see proof for one way or the other. Guess it's just speculation for now.

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Well, we only see tiny portions of an age. I mean an age is an entire planet (normally). So I'm sure that most of the ages we visit do have different climates.

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Liath wrote:

looking at that forest picture there, it does look an awful lot like the greener part that you can see in Eder Gira, but not get to. Especially those kind of stone towers you see there.

It is. But that doesn't mean Tahgira has any relation to it.

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chucker wrote:

Liath wrote:

looking at that forest picture there, it does look an awful lot like the greener part that you can see in Eder Gira, but not get to. Especially those kind of stone towers you see there.

It is. But that doesn't mean Tahgira has any relation to it.

Well, the bigger text beneath it said 'Tahgira Forest', so I thought that it referred to that forest picture.

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Ok some points to take into considerations

Tahgira - small ice island in the middle of a vast ocean and prison age.

Gira - large tropical and volcanic region with a native population.

Gira is based on images I have seen a very old Age (I believe there are plasma 1 models of the Age). Alot of the content was completely rewritten for EoA (Esher has the symbol of the Seers on him dispite not even being a seer) Noloben was going to be called Siralehn at one point due to the drastic change in the Age during the process.

You cannot take concept art and ideas as canon as they change over time and are even scrapped.

Unless Cyan out and say "They are the same Age" I will be treating them as seperates.

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Tweek wrote:

Gira is based on images I have seen a very old Age (I believe there are plasma 1 models of the Age).

You might be thinking of DIRT's Cleft, which shares a lot of textures and modelling with Uru's Eder Gira.

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You cannot take concept art and ideas as canon as they change over time and are even scrapped.

Unless Cyan out and say "They are the same Age" I will be treating them as seperates.

Bingo. Technical similarities or such historical accounts are irrelevant to the storyline, as ideas evolve over time, and sometimes radically change as to be completely contradictory. Canon, therefore, is what Cyan officially defines it to be, no what an art book says regarding such early prototypes.

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OK, I sent off some emails asking for confirmation either way. Stephen Martiniere's email has an SMTP error so it can't receive mail, but I sent off emails to RAWA and Josh Staub.

chucker wrote:

Tweek wrote:

Gira is based on images I have seen a very old Age (I believe there are plasma 1 models of the Age).

You might be thinking of DIRT's Cleft, which shares a lot of textures and modelling with Uru's Eder Gira.

Nope it was definatly Gira ^_^

I look forward to seeing what the response is from Cyan on this.

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