Well, good news. There already is a Guild of Maintainers working to establish itself. There is the Guild of Maintainers Bevin you can go to and if you want to join, contact kimail of 08550868 or 07509888. We should be setting a time for a meeting soon to discuss the future of this guild.

-Warren Weisstieg

mtn'man wrote:

ComputerSage wrote:

ComputerSage wrote:

Mtn'man can we use your site to have a forum?

I'm sorry that should have been for "Calem".

Looking at Calem's site, it makes more sense to congregate there if we can do that. Nice structure and I am going to join the forums there.

I just joined..

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I'm a Maintainer, as well.

... now that I can use the name with impunity.

I'm currently the chief of the Guild of Inspectors, which took on a similar job several months ago -- to search for and report any changes (content and bugs). However since content has been moved to a chapter format, we found our services uneccessary. Now we (about 3-4 of us is all that are left) are doing security and inspection work for Subterranean Restorations (which, of course, is player-driven storyline stuff).

I've spent a lot of time working on ways to grow and improve my guild, the Inspectors, and posted a lot on the subject in various places. I'd be happy to take whatever pieces of that which still apply to this new guild model and share them.

I am not campaigning to be the leader, here. Not at all. But I am a leader, and am more than willing to step up and take whatever responsibility I am invited to take.

Personally, I get the impression that Cyan is planning to tap the Maintainers to be beta testers for Ages not-yet-released. And so, many of the methods that were applicable to my old guild would apply to this new function. Naturally, I expect Cyan (or the DRC) will provide the methods they prefer us to use. But that doesn't mean we can't begin to have the conversation and come up with our own suggestions, etc.

I will re-post here one fun idea I had many months ago, which nobody has found a way to implement. Perhaps if this idea becomes popular enough, Cyan will give us to tools to make this work. I give you ....

Montgomery wrote:

The MAINTAINER TRAINING GAMES!

We will need a few more active members in order to stage these games, but my hope is that we can revitalize our recruitment activities by offering exclusive team games which can only be played by becoming a member of our guild. I think it would be safe to name the games and to say that they only work if you are a member. Let them speculate how that works. Shared Age Instancing is not really a secret since the Guardians are using it now, too. But I think we should keep it under our hats that SAI is the key to our games. Once we get going and start playing the games, I'd like to post a scoreboard on our public forum -- maybe elsewhere as well. Let's promote the hell out of this!

Please read the rules, below, and comment with suggestions and refinements. I'd also like to set up some live tests to make sure some of the ideas I have will actually work they way I think they will. You should all have invites to all of the sharable Ages, now.


MAINTAINER CAPTURE THE FLAG

Requirements:
Shared Ages
2 or more Teams, 4 or more Players per Team (all teams must have an equal number of players)
1 Referee

Object:
To be the first team to load 3 KI-images of the opposing team’s "flag" onto the Bevin imager.

The Flag:
The "flag" is a designated spot in the opposing team's Age. To "capture" the flag, a player needs to take a KI-image of the flag-spot containing him/herself, and return with it to the Bevin without being "shot." Once a player captures the flag, they may not simply link out and return directly to the Bevin. Instead they must leave the Age via the Age’s Nexus book and from the Nexus link directly to the Bevin. Since the “flag” can only be in one place at a time, whoever captures it must declare over Buddy chat that they have a flag and include which flag they have. This serves to alert all players that the flag is in motion, and prevents any other players from taking additional KI-images of the flag. Any flag returned to the Bevin without having been announced as captured at the time of capture is invalid.

Being Shot:
Being "shot" means a member of the opposing team takes a KI-image of the player and sends it to both him/her and the referee. When a player has been shot, they must immediately link to their Relto, then directly into the Nexus. If a player is carrying the flag (has a valid KI-image) at the time of being shot, they must delete it, as it is no longer valid. The flag is considered “returned” and must be retrieved by another player. If more than one opposing player is visible in a KI-image “shot,” the shooter must choose only 1. In this case, the shooter must title the KI-image with the name of the player who has been shot.

Insuring Fairness:
Teams are designated with a color. Each player on a given team will wear a t-shirt of the team's color, but each player must have a unique design so players can be told apart in KI-images. This prevents the possibility of one player passing off as their own a KI-image sent to them by another player after having been shot. To prevent a player from keeping a KI-image after being shot and submitting it later, a particular pose (emote) for the flag will be designated at the beginning of the game. Each time a player is shot and the flag “returned,” the referee will announce a new emote over Buddy chat for that particular flag.

The Referee:
Aside from keeping track of the current valid emote for each flag (paper and pencil will prove invaluable), the Referee’s primary job is to monitor the positions of all players (we need a test to confirm that the KI updates Buddy list locations live). Primarily the Referee must make sure that no player re-enters the game using the linking books in his/her Relto – to prevent any player from taking advantage of Journey Cloth links. Any player in Relto must first link to either the Bevin or the Nexus before linking to any other Age or location. The Referee must also monitor that no player currently carrying a flag returns to their Relto unless they have been shot. The Referee also remains in the Bevin and posts the flags (KI-images) to the Bevin imager as they are passed to him by players who have captured them and returned with them to the Bevin. Before posting to the imager, the Referee must validate that each KI-image is of the player submitting the image, and in the correct pose, and that it is from the player who announced they had it. The Referee also declares the game over when three valid KI-images from one team have been posted and announces it to all players via Buddy chat.

The Game:
All players start in the Bevin. The Referee insures that all players are wearing their proper team color and a unique design. Ages are chosen for each Team’s base, and the “flag” is defined. The initial flag emote is chosen, and all players proceed to the Nexus. The game officially begins when the Referee declares “Begin” over Buddy chat, and each player enters the game using the shared instance of whichever Age they choose to enter. Players may link to any Ages active in the game, but may only change Ages via the Nexus. All other books and all Bahro Stones are off-limits. All Relto books (save Nexus and Bevin) are also off-limits. Players wishing to use the City must enter using the Bahro stone in the Bevin's Book Room (as entering using the Nexus will take them to the public instance).

Strategies:
• Ambushing opposing players as they approach your flag by lurking near it. The counter to this is to approach an enemy flag with multiple players so if one is shot on approach another can shoot the shooter and proceed to take the flag.
• Alternately lurking at a team’s own flag location or Nexus book to catch a flag-bearer en-route back to the Bevin.
• Using the KI Age list to gauge proximity, noting how players move up the list and when they move into voice proximity (<>).
• Listening for footsteps. Note that running is louder than walking, particularly through water. (Note: to insure fairness, all players must wear shoes – bare feet are silent or nearly so.)
• Communicating via PM to keep team communications private.


MAINTAINER SCAVANGER HUNT

Requirements:
Shared Ages
Any number of Players or Teams
1 Referee

Short Game:
The Referee preps the game by taking 5 KI-images anywhere in any Ages or cavern locations that are "sharable" (this excludes Relto, both Clefts, all Bahro caves, and any areas not immediately available to all players, such as the Great Zero Calibration Chamber and private Bevins). The most effective KI-images will be close-ups taken from unusual angles or hard-to-reach positions, and not necessarily identifiable out of context. The Referee loads these 5 KI-images onto the Bevin imager immediately prior to commencement of the game, after all players have assembled in the Bevin but out of sight of the imager.

At the Refereees signal via chat all players can look at the imager, then begin searching. The first team or player to accumulate duicate KI-images and return with them to Bevin wins. In team play the images can be supplied by different players, and no single player needs to have all images.

To submit images for review by the Referee, the player team members must have accumulated all 5 images. They then must rendezvous in the Bevin and send all 5 to the Referee.

Long Game:
This game is the same except that more than 5 images are used, and they are posted on the web at a pre-arranged time (in a single post). These images can be more difficult, because they can be small sections cropped out of screen-shots or KI-images.

Otherwise the rules are identicle to the short game. Players still start in the Bevin and play commences when the Referee announces it via chat.

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I am also interested and will be coming to take a peek at the forums.

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We need a Mission statement for Calem's forum ( http://uruguilds.org/uruguilds/index.php )

Crimson_bard you seem to be the most experienced.. want to take a crack at it?

We have around 12-15 members that have joined the Guild of Maintainers Bevin so far.

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Consider me to have virtually picked the shirt up, Now come on AT&T get me that dang replacement DSL modem already!!!!

I think that Tiran had the right of it in one of his posts elsewhere, that the GoM are going to have a lot to do with testing the Fan based ages with the GoW before they are submitted to Cyan. I personally see the GoM doing a few other things as well, but that's just some of my own thoughts.

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Tiran wrote:

Guild of Maintainers - Men in Pink

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. The all mighty and fearful maintainers are wearing pink shirts. *g*

Not pink! Cranberry.

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Bionickai001 wrote:

Well, good news. There already is a Guild of Maintainers working to establish itself. There is the Guild of Maintainers Bevin you can go to and if you want to join...

Of what authority does this Bevin consist other than being the first to squat on the name?

greydragon wrote:

Tiran wrote:

We like to set up a guild system and unify the groups but it takes time. We don't want to see some people claiming the GoW for them just because they like to have a cool position.

I'll look into making the word guild on the ban list. However, Cyan knows of these groups and the major players in them. We aren't going to make the guy with (Guild of Writers) the guildmaster just because he has that name.

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Ian Atrus wrote:

How did we go from support to membership in less than a day? I got the pink shirt, but I don't think that makes me official Maintainer stuff.

I also doubt that any group of Maintainers that springs up in the next few days will become the guild of Maintainers proper, especially since the namesakes of those Bevins are against the naming policy.

Now I am confused...

GreyDragon said in http://www.mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11781

Quote:

"The process of forming a guild is something that will be debated by its members forever. We (Cyan) don’t have the guild systems in place at this time. We (Cyan) aren’t going to say who should be guild masters for each guild. Heck, at this time we aren’t going to control them in any form. It doesn’t mean that you (the community) can’t take it upon) yourself to do so. "

Apparently (it is quite obvious): there is the need, interest, and desire by Cyan's customers to have more groups and to start them. Now in the space of a few hours, there is conflicting viewpoints.

What gives? As someone who pays $ 9.95 a month, I would simply like to know what can be done and what can't be done. Then I can make my own choice on whether $ 9.95 /month is worth the product. I don;t like confusion or conflicting information.

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crimson_bard wrote:

Personally, I get the impression that Cyan is planning to tap the Maintainers to be beta testers for Ages not-yet-released.

I don't. This Guild formation is for current in game activities and such. Your suggestion of games within the game is a good one, and the "Cavern Activity Team" has been doing this for quiet some time... FYI. Perhaps you should join them too. I know since I am a small part of that group (as you can tell from the forum link I posted).

Ian Atrus wrote:

crimson_bard wrote:

I'm a Maintainer, as well.

... now that I can use the name with impunity.

How did we go from support to membership in less than a day? I got the pink shirt, but I don't think that makes me official Maintainer stuff.

I also doubt that any group of Maintainers that springs up in the next few days will become the guild of Maintainers proper, especially since the namesakes of those Bevins are against the naming policy.

I am with you and JWPlatt. This topic is a place to call those that support the Guild of Maintainers and to see if we can rally as a group as the highly successful Guild of Greeters has. As ComputerSage points out, Greydragon has said that we can try to form and develop policies for our group, and I would like to be a part of that.

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Folks -- I would like to take a crack at a possible mission statement. I have some ideas, but I'm waiting until I manage to get back into Kirel and re-examine the Guild flyer. I think it is important that we keep an eye on what Cyan intends for the guild and keep it in-flavor as much as possible.

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ComputerSage wrote:

We need a Mission statement for Calem's forum ( http://uruguilds.org/uruguilds/index.php )

Crimson_bard you seem to be the most experienced.. want to take a crack at it?

We have around 12-15 members that have joined the Guild of Maintainers Bevin so far.

I think this is a bit premature.

First, I would suggest we let the D'net reform, give them at least until after the "PR Week" ends. Then we USE them to promote meetings of our "members" or at least those who have chosen to wear the shirt.

I suggest we hold it in Kirel. I don't think there should be a Maintainer's Bevin, yet. Nor do I think Cyan is going to allow them. But here is something I learned from my experience -- most people are happy with the hood they belong to now, and don't want to have to choose one out of all of the interests they have. I have my own -- The Night Owl's Bevin, and I don't plan to switch any time soon. Nor should anyone else have to. The DRC provided Kirel as the Guild hood, and I think it makes the perfect place to hold meetings -- it has an auditorium.

As for the Mission Statement, I would wait until those interested have had a chance to meet and discuss, and some consensus is agreed upon by those participating -- those with "skin in the game." Also, we don't really know what our mission is going to be, yet, so writing a mission statement may be completely futile.

Oh ... and call me Montgomery.

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Last edited by Montgomery on Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:39 pm; edited 1 time in total

There is somewhat already many Guild of Maintainers already. Me and a few others have already started a Maintainer Guild yesterday. Since no active Explorers wanted to take the name, we sortof took it (with the intention that many others would too).

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crimson_bard wrote:

First, I would suggest we let the D'net reform, give them at least until after the "PR Week" ends. Then we USE them to promote meetings of our "members" or at least those who have chosen to wear the shirt.

I suggest we hold it in Kirel. I don't think there should be a Maintainer's Bevin, yet. Nor do I think Cyan is going to allow them. But here is something I learned from my experience -- most people are happy with the hood they belong to now, and don't want to have to choose one out of all of the interests they have. I have my one -- THe Night Owl's Bevin, and I don't plan to switch any time soon. Nor should anyone else have to. The DRC provided Kirel as the Guild hood, and I think it makes the perfect place to hold meetings -- it has an auditorium.

As for the Mission Statement, I would wait until those interested have had a chance to meet and discuss, and some consensus is agreed upon by those participating -- those with "skin in the game." Also, we don't really know what our mission is going to be, yet, so writing a mission statement may be completely futile.

Oh ... and call me Montgomery.

Agreed on the hood thing. No one wants the hassle of multiple avatars and multiple hoods. It's a pain and too much extra work. Kirel is not a bad place, but it's going to be very busy for a while. The week's wait would be a good thing. Perhaps longer. Perhaps a public Eder might also be a good place -- less crowded, and less likely that it will get interrupted by people who are not interested.

In the time between now and the meeting, we can get a lot hammered out and prepared, so that we're all set to go, organized, and not wasting time during that meeting.

I disagree on the mission statement, though. I do not think it is futile. We have some idea of what our mission is. It's on the flyer. It is, naturally, something we should discuss thoroughly. When we've got a handle on it, we can present it to Cyan and get a yea/nay.

I'm going to go retrieve the flyer and post the contents here, so we can have a good solid discussion of what it all means.

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