If I'm not mistaken open source URU is just letting fans run ages that work with URU. Fans will run servers to host URU so why not delay the fan run ages and let fans run URU now? The fans that run the servers can pay Cyan say $10 then Cyan gets somthing in return. What do you think?

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Wouldn't be too bad an idea. The only problem is that we are waiting on code for the open source, which we need to run our own servers. (I think. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken )

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I think that I'd rather wait for the source code for servers then take it from there. I'd rather we'd start off with a bang rather than a trickle.

I don't know the tec stuff-- so tell me if what I say is wrong. If Cyan had a server thay would need to have a source code for their servers, would they need to change it for us? Aren't they just making fans able to run ages work with URU? And if they need to change it then this talented communty probably can change it to work.

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There are technical and legal reasons for why we are where we are.

I understand MOUL uses Oracle for its database services, which is proprietary and costly. There has been lots of discussion on what other proprietary software might be in the MOUL version. I think it is down to just Oracle and Plasma and Cyan said they would license Plasma as open source. I assume they are separating out any proprietary parts or working deals to allow use. So, yes they would need to change it for us and it is those changes Cyan is making and that proprietary stuff Cyan does not own prevents them from just giving us what they used. However this only prevents us from using the MOUL server software.

Alcugs is an alternative game server. I've never gotten into the details of it but I would assume it is mostly open source and available for fans to use. Does it come with a client side? I don't know. If not, that eliminates new players that do not have CC or another client side way to view the game. We cannot legally redistribute CC or the MOUL client (player side software).

If one had server software that would run the game and client software that people could download to access the game then we could run fan made content right now. That would be legal and is doable. There are probably a bunch of techicalities to legally using the CC/ABM player side software but it could be changed to use say Andy's Nexus in place of any Cyan content.

The Uru content has also not been licensed to us by Cyan. So, we can't just use it. There is no such issue with fan created content. If the writer used Cyan textures or other materials to create the age, there may be some issues related to those per those agreements.

There are rouge game servers and the issues with them are which software are they using for the server and the content they are serving. I suspect Cyan would not have a problem if it were just server software. But, Uru, Myst V, MOUL and other parts of the Myst series seems to be getting involved. That makes for an amazingly complex legal mess of who has what rights.

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Your original idea is a great one, Mystifies!

We pay Cyan a fee, $10 or $12.97 or $42.86 or whatever, a one time fee, that helps cover the costs of grabbing the body of a person who can complete the task of releasing the code. And cover any costs of proprietary info...
I wish I knew more about game development and code and stuff like that. I would think, logically, that once you have purchased the license to use some engine or other in your game, that it would have been a one time fee....I cant imgaine such a fee being paid for all eternity. However, I do know that patents and the like never seem to be logical.

In return for this fee we would receive...maybe a Ki, like Until Uru had at the beginning? And we the fans make our own arrangements to pay for the servers one or several of us would host?

Cyan would get a little boost, and more of a reason to get done what needs to be done.

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