Tomala wrote:

Carry on.

I'll take your HAX! and raise you a:

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Jamey wrote:

And the point of that was....?

He don't know me vewy well, do he?

/chewscarrot

Edit: hahahaha well played Tweek, well played.

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Jamey wrote:

And the point of that was....?

The point is, it's FUNNY!

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Tomala wrote:

Jamey wrote:

And the point of that was....?

He don't know me vewy well, do he?

/chewscarrot

Edit: hahahaha well played Tweek, well played.

Alright then, please enlighten me.

Seriously, from what you've said, I didn't get the point, so please, I'd like to know.

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Tweek wrote:

Book Brother is watching you.

(And Dr. Breen is not wearing a Brooks Brothers suit.)

That's not Dr Breen. That's Dr Breen's clone Dr Hax. He shows up whenever any form of hacking takes place. For hacking of any kind is very ebil.

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Wow, what a hornets' nest I've stirred up here!

I don't think Drizzle is eeeeeeeeeeeeeevile, I just don't think it should be used to compete with MOULagain. In fact, it can be used to help - if only Cyan would let us. Sigh. Minkata is my favorite example. As I stated before, Drizzle managed to fix the Minkata sparklie problem - if ddb knows how he managed to do that, could (would?) he share that information with Cyan?

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it can be used to help - if only Cyan would let us.

I can see in a very limited instance Drizzle being a help that Cyan "might" approve of but the Community would need to do MO:RE for it to work. Sorry couldn't resist.

Anyhow about the only way that I feel Drizzle might contribute is if someone actually managed a rogue shard without using the old Until Uru install. All Drizzle could contribute at that point is that ability to read Cyan Age files, which honestly would be huge, but lets face facts Cyan would still probably look at it cockeyed.

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@Nalates: Drizzle can only download fan ages if you do not own a copy of the myst/etc games it converts. I'm sure if it was really necessary, the legal "opinion" can be pretty easily backed up with extensive evidence for drizzle's legality, but, really we've said all that already, and people still ignore it, so what's the point? The facets can easily be "brought together and factually decided" you don't need a case to go to court to know if something is legal or illegal, nalates... I'm sure none of us have the delusion that murder is legal, do we? Do we need to take that matter to a court to know this? No.

Nalates, I'm almost certain that you have no legal training, so someone who /does/ have legal training, their opinion on legal matters should be ranked above your own.

Tomala wrote:

That's not Dr Breen. That's Dr Breen's clone Dr Hax. He shows up whenever any form of hacking takes place. For hacking of any kind is very ebil.

Uhhhh, Okay?

I will repeat myself again, as much as I hate doing it; "Not all hacks are unfavorable, why some people go to extremist ways and try to say "Oh! These people dislike one way we hack Uru, so they must hate ALL ways we hack Uru!", even when that is not the way most people are thinking, is beyond me."

In terms of hacking, very few things are black and white.

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Jamey, Tomala and Tweek are joking. One way to tell is by the extreme language in the posts, also the humor thing.

It is hard to tell sometimes, as some members here have said similar things, in all seriousness, and they weren't joking.

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Some things are black, though, and some things are white.

Cyan have said that any use of the tools mentioned in this thread is not authorised by them. That's fairly free of nuances or shades or subtleties of interpretation. It means what it says, no more and no less. What you do with it is up to you, and will depend on a number of factors which vary with the individual...but the statement itself is unequivocal.

Hornets' nest indeed. My apologies in advance if I misheard something in the buzz.

I took Jamey's posts to say that extremists (like me?) needn't worry about a supposed "all hax are evil" mentality, because people are more discriminating than that.

Fair enough. The impression I got, though, was that the 'all hax are evil' mentality was quite real. (If not, people who seem to react against it would presumably be joking, or fighting a chimaera?)

I wouldn't be surprised if the mentality exists. (To those who don't really read: I don't subscribe to it.) Some hax are "evil" -- more to the point, they are unethical (possibly illegal, but unlike murder that has yet to be tried in court) because they are derivative works, infringements on Cyan's IP (lack of originality of course being a different beast from hacking, except that 666hacks666 tend to be highly derivative) -- and because people do not bother to make a distinction. Spam, spam, spam, hacks, hacks, hacks. Some people approve of the bad apples in the basket along with the good ones, others disapprove of the entire basket. Black and white.

All that was just to say that there's no need to call a tool a 'hack' unless proven otherwise. Simple as that. I still don't see why anyone would insist that Drizzle is a hack not a tool ... but be that as it may. (Well, yeah, I can imagine at least one reason: a need to preach to the masses that HAX are not evil, HAX are good! If so, well, good luck with that.)

I'm linking out now, shorah! May the buzz go on.

mszv wrote:

Jamey, Tomala and Tweek are joking. One way to tell is by the extreme language in the posts, also the humor thing.

It is hard to tell sometimes, as some members here have said similar things, in all seriousness, and they weren't joking.

Sorry mszv, I failed to see humor in any of this. What I saw was a thought-out post given by Nalates, and then I saw what I believe was mockery using images to portray extreme behavior, which did not accurately represent Nalates' perspective.

I'm still unsure whether it was done to simply create drama, sarcasm, or perhaps both. I may be wrong about this, but every fiber of me is telling me I'm right. I do still believe it was unnecessary.

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