AdamJohnso wrote:

More and more people become disheartened and leave.

It's awful to see anyone have to go, but...

This and your ultimatum fairly well suggest the guilds and active members of a few select forums, such as this one, will determine the fate of Open Uru. And, just by the way, you should know as well as any savvy forum leader that all ultimatums are suspect and not very credible by their very nature. Ninety-nine-point-nine percent of people who employ them don't stay away very long because they like it too much. You (the collective you for the remainder of this post) suggest that if you leave - even if Cyan ultimately releases the sources - Uru is gone - forever. That's a pretty big presumption of power and scope over a private company with ownership of the franchise, millions of customers beyond the forums and guilds, and their own authority and resources.

There is no question you have the corner on outside knowledge and skills with Plasma, the Uru engine, and producing and placing your own worlds into it. For now. But I'll remind everyone, yet again, that worldwide release of MMO open source code from a world-class game company will be news. And it will attract others, even if everyone who is here now or ever has been here - leaves. How long could you resist that? Would you really walk away from a skillset years in the making when it could become relevant (and legal) for the first time?

It would be nice to have the guilds and others around who have worked so hard to accumulate knowledge and skills with the Uru engine over the years to help the influx when it happens. You could be a significant player, handled correctly, with Uru and other projects that want to use Plasma. But the release of the sources would instantly place the world on a level playing field with everything you've worked hard to accumulate over the years. Will you still be as enthusiastic when you're not quite as special and not fighting the good fight from an "underground" movement? The answer to your motives lies in whether you self-destruct or remain available in a positive way for what comes.

I think the message here is that you need to live your life independently of what you want here but Cyan's work will survive you, spawn new things, and those who are here when it happens will have a part in keeping Uru alive - among other things. Don't put so much pressure and responsibility on yourself and others in an attempt to make it happen. Make your feelings known, persist, create, support, learn - but relax. Have fun with what you have. It will come. Call it the Zen of Uru Maintenance.

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I was trying to suggest a way to open source Uru live not without Cyan but in a way where Cyan would not be spending anything on developing it basically allowing the Fans to develop it, then present the open source project to Cyan and discuss what changes (if any) need to be made. but to do this their must be trust, and trust is a two way street.

In a relationship, any relationship trust is like the foundation of a high rise building with out a solid foundation the building will eventually crumble, just like in a relationship with out trust the relationship will eventually fail

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You got fair points, adamjohnso, but ultimatum is not the way to go.

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I give up... You people also seem to enjoy putting words in others' mouths.

Before I leave this topic: This was not an ultimatum because I have no authority to delivery such a thing.

Hope you guys have fun waiting on Cyan to get around to Uru.

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If there is no response to any of these topics or an announcement of any sort, then this will be considered direct confirmation that you do not care about Uru any more. If you don't care, then I know I sure as heck don't.

Sounds like an ultimatum to me. "If you don't answer this than you confirm you don't care about Uru". Yep, that's an ultimatum.

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I don't get the timing for this discussion. As Nalates pointed out.

edit: I had to erase the rest of this message as I found it difficult to formulate my thoughts in an unambiguous manner

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This kind of shows how crazy things have gotten. We're in a pretty lose lose situation right now. Our community is getting pretty wild, and if Cyan doesn't say anything we get even more wild. It may be that they're deliberately ignoring us because if Cyan works with a wild community their reputation goes down.

Natales made a very good point as well, a point that's pretty overlooked. MQO not coming out on the promised date, shows how much pressure they're under, I don't blame them for not having time.

I think we all need to take a breather, and give a little faith that things will turn out alright.

EDIT: Also to add to this, when it came that someone was making private shards, they jumped on it pretty quick. Shows how much time they spend policing us, which is excess pressure, I think it'll come a lot faster if they don't have to worry about that.

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Dakro wrote:

Also to add to this, when it came that someone was making private shards, they jumped on it pretty quick. Shows how much time they spend policing us, which is excess pressure, I think it'll come a lot faster if they don't have to worry about that.

Good grief, I dare say it's already happening.

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Over time this will cause rifts within this community, if not already, at that is the first step to how Cyan will fall, the faction of those who just can't wait anymore grows, faith will plumet, and the company may have a game without a reasonable fanbase to maintain it. Without trying to make much light of the situation, the ending may well be written at that moment.

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Dakro wrote:

EDIT: Also to add to this, when it came that someone was making private shards, they jumped on it pretty quick. Shows how much time they spend policing us, which is excess pressure, I think it'll come a lot faster if they don't have to worry about that.

Umm, Dakro.. just to let you know.. There were private Shards *during* MOUL.

JWPlatt, thank you for your post!!

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sometimes I really question why I bother hanging around.

"You know you've been in the Cavern too long when..."

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JWPlatt, thank you for your post!!

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sometimes I really question why I bother hanging around.

"You know you've been in the Cavern too long when..."

You know exactly how cold the air temperature hasta be to make the cones stiff enough to stand on.

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I see no point in this urge for news, when we all know the next news is MQ, and not open source URU. I light of all that has to be decided if these things, as suggested, share technology. I cannot see any reson for talking about it until the first release of MQ-live. I really don't. And then that is the time to ask. – Are we still doing open source URU or not?
And I will settle for an answer like "Open URU is still the plan" or "We really have to look into how the technology for open URU is tied to MQ-live, and what it means before continuing.". As it stands I agree that it is to soon to discuss such issues on the internet. Look at how reluctant they were in talking about MQ with anybody. It is not the time, not yet. Pressure is on, so relax a tad.

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I just want to pop in to clarify that the shard you are referring to was public, not private. And that shard had said that it was approved by Cyan, so Cyan clarified that they had not done so. That was all.

If I recall correctly they said they would leave the Forum up so we can keep in touch with the friends we made in the caverns, I can only assume since the forum is still up their is still hope. I think the time to ask is when you feel like asking, until the site shuts down and the copyright for Uru live expires their is still hope and if its gonna happen its gonna happen on Cyans time line not ours. all the asking in the world is not gonna change anything except assure Cyan that their may still be a chance for the Money Pit of Uru live to pay off.

If the Copyright for Uru live does expire before open source go's live then they'll be no need for private servers. until then we wait. Other members of the community and myself have tried everything we can think of from Conspiracies to ultimatum and nothing has worked. In the end their must be trust between Cyan and those who will be running the servers for open source, when Cyan ready to release open source and the trust is not their whether the lack their of is coming from Cyan or the potential open source server admins it still may not be released.

In the mean time we still have a forum to goof around on

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