Hey, no one is being rude?

How's this for being rude......

Dang, I know I can do better than that, where's a flamer when I need one???

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This is something I have wanted to post about for a very long time. So excuse the length of the post.

As most of you know, I've been over in There along with some of our fellow refugees. It is nice to know that not only it is time to go 'home', but it is time we opened up our hearts and reltos to those who do not know us.

When the first Uru settlers stepped foot into There, well, it wasn't pretty. They didn't understand us, all they saw was that we were invaders. We Uruites in There have faced a lot of rudeness and unkindness at the hands of people who did not know us. Being from Uru, we are used to treating people with respect and kindness. That is the standard of our community, however, the Therians never quite understood who we were and what we stood for, so we were, and in some cases still are, through no fault of our own, treated like second class citizens because of our Uru heritage.

We have learned ways around it. When we are given prejudice and harm, we give back love and respect. We have constantly and consistantly held ourselves to our standards and not lowered ourselves to the level of whomever would subdue or harm us.

From Marcus Aurelius' Meditations Book Seven, #15. "No matter what anyone else does or says, I must be good. It is as if gold or an emerald or purple dye were perpetually telling itself, "No matter what anyone may do or say, I must be an emerald and keep my color."

As I told one of our Uru Community members when they came to There...

"Watch out. The Therians aren't as nice as the people from our homeworld."

And unfortunately it's true. We are a very special community. We have a bond that people from the outside won't really understand. I believe it should be our mandate to make sure that those new to our world receive the welcome that those of us who went to other worlds didn't receive. It is my belief that this community is a shining example of what a community SHOULD be.

For those who come to us without the ability to be polite, it's not on us to fret or do anything about it...that is the job of our outstanding mods.

Book Five #35 "If the wrong is not in me, or the result of something I have done, or harmful to the community - why should it concern me? How can the community be harmed by it anyway?"

We can only help them get acclimatized...what they do on this side of the cavern door is up to them. However, I will not close my relto door to anyone coming to me for help. That's all I can do and all that I can control.

Let us keep our identity as one of the BEST On-line Communities and welcome all who would visit our home, and if someone decides to get raunchy...well, Sun Tzu said it best, "Hide the sword in a smile" and let the mods take out the garbage.

For those of you who are new, Welcome, we're glad to have you.

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Very well said Sh'aeri, very well said. I think one thing that impressed me the most during the prologue was that for as large of a community as it was, for the most part everyone was nice and tried to help others. And then the type of game makes a difference. Instead of trying to slash each other with swords, we try to get through that devilishly hard puzzle. So for the most part Uru is a non-violent game.

I'm sure we will be able to bring back most of the politeness and cooperation we had during the last prologue when Live opens up again. It might not always occur out on the forums, but at least most of the time in the cavern we do pretty well

Ashtar

And for the times politeness seems to lack on the forums, at least for now I chalk it up to everyone's frustration at waiting for Uru Live.

Uru Live forever!

I've had some real poor experiences on Myst/URU message boards. As much as I'd like to give glowing marks there are just too many misunderstandings and a couple of "bad apples." I guess it isn't different from most anywhere

woxel1 wrote:

I've had some real poor experiences on Myst/URU message boards. As much as I'd like to give glowing marks there are just too many misunderstandings and a couple of "bad apples." I guess it isn't different from most anywhere

I'm really sorry to hear that. From my point of view, I treat everyone I encounter, whether it be here in the forums or in cavern, like family.

Like all families, we're going to agree and we're going to disagree, but I don't think that it means we like or love each other less.

I'm sorry that you've had a tough time, but I'm going to ask you for a favor...give us a chance...we're going to have misunderstandings, they're going to happen, we're going to have heated discussions, but that does not mean that you are not welcome here.

We have all types of people here, thank Yahvo and the Bahro, so try different neighborhoods, try different times of day, I'm sure you'll find people of your like mindset and interests. This really is an outstanding community.

I'm a great example of how someone can have the wrong first impression...

When I came into Prologue, no one knew that Uru was my first Myst game. I took it the wrong way when people looked at me in shock when they found out. It took some time, and it didn't hurt that Pepsi took me under her wing, but now I have parental figures, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters here.

Like I said...it just takes time.

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Wow, you were a very lucky person to have Pepsi take care of you (rest in peace.) It is unfortunate that people have to be they way they are, especially considering the tightly woven community we've built. But some come in with the "gamerz" attitude and mentality, and because of that, are competative in all the WRONG ways. Me, I have been guilty of being rude on a Myst forum, several in fact, but it usually is in response to a troll or someone that somehow disrespected me or anyone else on here.

The fact of the matter is that because of the net, people do not have those boundries they would have when meeting people face to face. So instead of applying those morals you would use in public conversation, they throw it to the wind, because there would be no punishment or backlash for being a complete ass on a public forum, save being banned.

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Yeah, I was lucky...

And yes, Vormaen, you're right, some "gamerz", as you put it, don't have the social skills that we cherish in Uru. However, when we run into it, we don't have to bite at the bait. I would prefer that we educate those people who come in with their "attitude" as to what is the right way and wrong way to do things here. We have all, at one time or another, had to learn our D'ni Ettiquette...I was lucky, as you said, I had Pepsi. What we can do now is continue her legacy...in which she said to me,

"Always greet everyone with a cheerful dispositon and with love in your heart".

"If you're going to give to the community, give all that you've got."

So, I think if we can steer those folks in the right direction with kindness and generosity, they'll quickly learn what the community is about and what our collective morals are. (Hopefully). But then again I am an idealist and I try to focus on the good before I look for the bad.

Everyone has their redeeming value. In some it is harder to find than in others, however that should not dissuade us from trying to help those who are new to our world.

See that quote in my signature? "Make your words kind, gentle and tasteful, for one day, you may be forced to eat them." Those are the words I live by and my friends have heard me say it many a time. So, before we lash out at someone for any reason, I feel that it is better to make our words kind, gentle and tasteful. Later on, we'll be glad we did. Remember, we don't have to regret or apologize for words we didn't say.

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I've really enjoyed reading this thread. Since Myst games are the only computer games I've played, and URU Live (2004) the only on-line game I've ever played, I had no idea that the URU gaming community was any different than the norm. I appreciate it now, and all of you as well, more than ever.

After URU Live ended (what a very sad day that was, and what a jubilant day it was to learn URU Live was coming back!) I went over to Second Life for awhile. I don't remember if I found any other URU refugees, but it just didn't click for me (although I enjoyed the heck out of flying!) I suppose because there wasn't a shared mission/goal. Plus, my life was so full, I really didn't need a "second life." If I'm going to spend time pretending, I'd rather be in a group adventure than to simulate a "parallel" day-to-day life!

Sh'aeri, thanks for all your observations and input. Your words and sentiments reflect what I had come to expect wherever I went in the on-line Myst/URU community.

So..I guess other games don't have something like the Guild of Greeters?

See you in the Cavern! (I hope soon...)

the thing to keep in mind, is we're likely to have an influx of 'gamerz' when Live launches...and we *MUST* keep our cool. No throwing hissyfits about l33t sp33k, no cussing and language, but no acting like superiour snobs, either. We'll have to lead by example, carrying on in our (mostly) civilised way, and let the mods carry the Pointy Stick Of Modly Smackdown, which they will hopefully apply with both consideration and vigor.

Eventually, the bad apples will either stop rotting and fit in, or go away. But if we start getting into it with the ones who can't or won't be civil, then we'll just drag everything down.

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Eleri wrote:

... let the mods carry the Pointy Stick Of Modly Smackdown....

Eleri, if I haven't told you today...I just love your sense of humor. Good one!!!

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Sh'aeri wrote:

Eleri wrote:

... let the mods carry the Pointy Stick Of Modly Smackdown....

Eleri, if I haven't told you today...I just love your sense of humor. Good one!!!

Heehee! It's in the Geek Tool Box, right next to the Sledghammer of Percussive Maintainence

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Ja'de wrote:

But watch out for Nerfy...She's cornered the market on pointy sticks.

Hmmmm...I just checked my (vast) supply and quite a few seem to be missing! All right, if you are going to use them, please make sure to use them properly. It's one-two-breathe, one-two-breathe:



and, of course, it is most effective when quickly followed by a cyanosis-enducing squish:



This is, of course, the well-known Stick-and-Squish Sequencing Method of Derailing Detrimental Interpersonal Nonproresolutional Griping, better known by its acronym--> SASSMODDING.

So ... keep in mind that while a stick in the eye helps get the point across, it never hurts to hug!



nerfy

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