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Post Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:09 pm — Post subject:

That is simple. The lattice burped and the Explorers are fixing it. Everything that happens in the cavern is canon, has been for quite awhile now. Some of us will never be beyond the point of IC. XD


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:04 pm — Post subject:

"The Lattice" refers specifically to the KI and its respective associated systems. The sparks are as yet unknown in origin and are possibly linked to the bahro in some way. There needn't be an explanation for the disappearance as we don't really understand anything about the sparks. We only know that they directly affect Relto which implies Yeesha/bahro influence.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:17 pm — Post subject:

The intended meaning is already lost anyway, since they are all turned on all year long.

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:55 am — Post subject:

Unless this means something is happening. There have been flying Bahro sighting in the Cavern recently, not to mention other strange illusions (unless the Hood of Illusions and The Fun House is non-canon...).


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:14 am — Post subject:

Loshem wrote:

"The Lattice" refers specifically to the KI and its respective associated systems. The sparks are as yet unknown in origin and are possibly linked to the bahro in some way. There needn't be an explanation for the disappearance as we don't really understand anything about the sparks. We only know that they directly affect Relto which implies Yeesha/bahro influence.


Yea, we can only speculate on the reason. The sparklies are connected to Relto so Yeesha (and possibly the Bahro) is likely behind their origin. The return of the sparklie could mean that Yeesha or an allied Bahro fixed the problem. It's also possible that some intensely scientific cause not related to Yeesha and the Bahro resulted in the sparklie disappearing in the first place, but it was only a temporary effect.

Ehren wrote:

The intended meaning is already lost anyway, since they are all turned on all year long.


I would like to see their original schedule return once the current explorers get a chance to grab them all. Again, the IC reason would be unknown.

Lyrositor wrote:

Unless this means something is happening. There have been flying Bahro sighting in the Cavern recently, not to mention other strange illusions (unless the Hood of Illusions and The Fun House is non-canon...).


Dr. Watson has given an IC explanation that basically says it is all magic tricks by a few explorers. The (Cyan controlled) Bahro themselves were spotted a few times the first couple months or so when the cavern reopened last year, After that, we stopped seeing them for the most part (except for a few imposters and magic tricks). Perhaps they are now showing up again (or we have more imposters).


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:26 am — Post subject:

Offtopic: Ive been keeping an eye on this thread for so long and I only just now realized that the TC spelled Minkata incorrectly Razz


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:14 am — Post subject:

No!

No IC explanation for bugs. Such stupidity ought to be a crime against humanity.

That is all.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:48 am — Post subject:

AdamJohnso wrote:

No!

No IC explanation for bugs. Such stupidity ought to be a crime against humanity.

That is all.


I admit that there normally should not be much IC focus on bugs. However, some of us stupid people Razz are still going to want to explain something as noticable as a sparklie disappearing and reappearing. That is why I settled on a simple "there is no known explanation" which is close to ignoring it IC, but at least it lets us acknowledge IC that the sparklie was missing. In the end, it's not going to have a bearing on the story overall. It's just nitpicky details.

It's even possible to explain other bugs as KI glitches. If someone is IC while the server is resetting, they can say things like "the lattice is going down for regular maintenance". I wouldn't record it in any IC journals or anything, but it's a fun thing to say at the moment.

People can say, "EccentricOne, you're weird (or stupid)." Yea, maybe I am (perhaps eccentric too). Very Happy

(Don't forget though that the old DRC site updates gave IC explanations to bugs during Choru.)


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:31 am — Post subject:

You can just not explain it, many things are not explained in any form resembling "IC" in other MMO's, you just ignore it and move on. While I agree that it can be fun to think up explanations for it, in my opinion this should be let to the explorers, without official answer.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:52 am — Post subject:

AdamJohnso wrote:

No!

No IC explanation for bugs. Such stupidity ought to be a crime against humanity.

That is all.



You don't see the stupidity in just forgetting how things can make sense in game? Maybe you should explain what it is about "bugs" that make them something that shouldn't be explained. If someone can think of a way to make some of this stuff fit with a story, they are actually quite clever...

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:19 am — Post subject:

Talking IC about bugs, hacks and security breaches tends to make them sound less...bad. You're actually accepting the bug/hack/risk exists and make up a little story around it. For example:

OOC: People can use a client + tool(or these days, internal client) to change themselves into a bahro. They can also send out net messages, crash people and execute remote code although they aren't doing this....Yet.

IC: People made bahro suits


Doesn't really cover the danger does it?


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:17 pm — Post subject:

But what if they're using illegal materials to make those Bahro skins ?


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:09 pm — Post subject:

lunanne wrote:

You can just not explain it, many things are not explained in any form resembling "IC" in other MMO's, you just ignore it and move on. While I agree that it can be fun to think up explanations for it, in my opinion this should be let to the explorers, without official answer.


Just to clarify, I am not necessarily talking about an official answer. That usually comes in the form of an explanation by the DRC or Yeesha. I am just talking about fun IC reasoning / speculation (loose canon I guess). I don't expect something like the missing sparklie to ever become real official canon. Yeesha (if she returns) is not likely to mention it. I don't expect it to ever be in any future in-game journals either. While I personally take it case by case, when it comes to full official answers, it's probably best to ignore most of the bugs.

lunanne wrote:

Talking IC about bugs, hacks and security breaches tends to make them sound less...bad. You're actually accepting the bug/hack/risk exists and make up a little story around it. For example:

OOC: People can use a client + tool(or these days, internal client) to change themselves into a bahro. They can also send out net messages, crash people and execute remote code although they aren't doing this....Yet.

IC: People made bahro suits


Doesn't really cover the danger does it?


Back when that happened, I did not want it to have an impact on the storyline at all (because they were hacks) despite some other explorers wanting them to be (because Bahro story has been "paused" for so long). RAWA / Dr. Watson was nice enough to gave a good explanation though without it having a big impact.


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:32 pm — Post subject:

I think RAWA has already posted about this on the DRC forum. Bugs can't be IC.

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:33 pm — Post subject:

Ehren wrote:

AdamJohnso wrote:

No!

No IC explanation for bugs. Such stupidity ought to be a crime against humanity.

That is all.



You don't see the stupidity in just forgetting how things can make sense in game? Maybe you should explain what it is about "bugs" that make them something that shouldn't be explained. If someone can think of a way to make some of this stuff fit with a story, they are actually quite clever...



Here's how they make sense... They never happened. Technical issues should NEVER be explained in game. Those are purely out of character issues. Don't give me "the great KI server fart." Canon is already bad enough as is, don't pollute it more.


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