Now not everyone who comes into D'ni is going to an honest person, I was thinking it would be cool to have like an illicit Age trading thing going on, lets us some of the weird and wonderful ages that the DRC wouldnt allow.

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Didn't that kind of happen already? Eder Gira and Kadish Tolesa are weird and wonderful, but we discussed in another thread how the DRC deemed them relatively unsafe.

Gira's wierd? How so? Other than the lava.

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The lava was what I was thinking of.

dodgey guy hanging around the docks: "psst... want any ages? "

This is true. Looking at the DRC official site of Ages even though it has not been updated for over 2-years, you can see that the only age that they officially authorized for the public access was Gahreeson, and then for only limited access (to retreive one's KI). All other Ages releases were progressing, pending or (as is currently the case) suspended.

The notion of illicit ages or unauthorized access is paramount to a number of Uru-DRC storylines (Yeesha's journies, Sharper's quest...). I mean, one can look at each quest individually and self-encapsulated, but on another layer, the IC-layer, there is another stary that has only begun to unfold (and refold to unfold again) and that is the "today" part of the Cavern and the avatar one may choose to play.

This makes Uru so rich to me, the IC debates, restoration v.s rebuilding v.s revision, guild v.s Guild v.s no guild....what make this a living/breathing cummunity. which leads to Tweeks proposal (as I understand):

having Uru/Cyan officially embrace fan-based content (like the Volcano project), straight-laced as well as wacky.

Sofar, they seem to be willing to do just that (albeit with some minor restrictions). And I recall somewhere hearing how players (Tweek included? ) were able to have some influence on the development of the official storyline.

Is this what we're talking about? or is it about deviant/sinister Ages like the white supremacist age, or the hooker's hall, or anything that might lead to REAL problems?

Well...the way I see it, there's no need for 'illicit Age' trading. There's no DRC to stop explorers to go to illicit Ages anyway, so there's no need for an 'underground' organized Age-dealing crime ring. You wanna go to an illicit Age, go ahead. But go at your own risk.

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Calam where have you been. The DRC have been back in the cavern for like over a month.

Although I can't speak for Tweek, I'm pretty sure Tweek meant once Uru Live is up and running, and not necessarily the ages we visit now.

I think the illicit ages would be a shady/great storyline in UL which will be determined on one thing- if we get our age creating programs and whatnot in Uru Live!

If we can create our own worlds there will be sooo many that the DRC or the potential Guild of Maintiners would have to outlaw some. Making the possibility for those select few to trade ages.

And if the monetary system kind of mentioned in a Town meeting with Moke goes through (

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"like nothing you could imagine"

one could make some $$$$'s off of it too.

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The DRC have been back in the cavern for like over a month.

I'm aware of that, but what are they going to do, punish you if you go to an illegal Age? And if that's what Cyan is thinking, then why even make them available at all?

Why even put it there at all if we can't use it? Has the DRC ever stopped players from going to Kadish Tolesa? After all, that Age isn't exactly stable. One misstep and you're going to be taking a long trip. So then why suddenly setup the option for illegal Ages and then make rules against them? That seems self-defeating.

Which again brings us back to the point...if there's no real rules against Ages, then why make them 'illegal'? There needs to be rules before something is illegal, and then we come right back to the point of creating an Age that nobody can use. The whole thing is circular logic.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash the idea of Illegal Ages... I think it would be cool to make them available as some kind of discovery the player makes, which the player then must decide whether or not they'll risk going there.

When the D'ni were thriving, Ages that the Guilds had sanctioned as illegal were illegal for a reason; they were usually severly unstable or dangerous to visitors. Making these Ages available to players would be an intersting concept, but there needs to be some kind of risk involved to make it realistic- losing your Relto book and being trapped in that Age, perhaps?

Without a fallout, it's just going to be another Age that happens to carry the word 'illegal' in front of it. There won't be any difference unless there's an actual risk involved.

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Therefore, once Uru Live and the DRC in place later in the year (and if we get the age creator), they would set up rules for making ages, causing some unstable ones to become illegal.

Setting up the possibility to trade 'em. Not saying I will

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I remember rumors back in prologue of this type of thing and found it much more intriguing than what the DRC was up to. I think it could be a lot of fun.

Well if there were ages that had highly unstable buildings/ground that could collapse at any time. Of course somtimes you'd end up in another room/cave (your avi can survive falling from amazing hights, think of the jumps in Gira and Gareeson ), or you'd panic link back to Relto a lot.

Or even weird and wonderful Ages that the DRC don't know about.

With of course the knowledge that the people or groups hoarding Ages will "play along" and not keep them to themselves OOCly. You know, "accidentally" let other people in!

The thing is, vague mistrust aside, there's not much reason for even the most IC players to keep Ages secret from the DRC. They've been fairly decent about keeping the restoration legit. Whether or not they've been keeping it legit, what I suspect is that the DRC won't be the "wrong hands" we want to keep some Ages out of in Uru Live. They've been perceived as the antagonists, but there's no proof that they'll remain that way.

That said, the idea that certain Ages could be kept secret from certain IC factions (presuming those factions won't get OOCly pissed) sounds like an interesting concept...