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Post Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:12 pm — Post subject: Ae'gura Investigations: Concert Hall Balcony

In the Archaeology thread it was suggested that perhaps the Concert Hall balcony might have special acoustic properties thus explaining what appears to be a suboptimal location for a performance space. A partial test of this theory would require someone to climb to the balcony while one or more researchers stationed themselves at the different observation points around the canyon. The researcher on the Balcony would then speak and the observers could discover if voice carried unusually far from the balcony. Last night a generous group of explorers donated part of their evening to the advancement of knowledge to test this idea.

I first approached Annabelle knowing the yawning chasm that so intimidated me would hold no terrors for her. True to her intrepid nature she was off to make the climb without waiting for the complicated justification. Quickly other explorers volunteered to man the observation spots. Unfortunately when Annabelle reached the lower balcony we discovered that she did not have all the proper equipment to make the test. We could see that our KI's did not give us the < > signal but a thorough test required voice.

DaVinci then valiantly volunteered to make the treacherous climb to the balcony bearing the appropriate equipment (a microphone). Having wisely tested beforehand that our equipment was compatible (he stood next to me and we talked) he managed to join Annabelle on the balcony.

Despite repeated efforts none of the explorers on the observation platforms were able to hear anything DaVinci said. The observer on the mall could hear him but was within the normal range of spoken voice.

This does not absolutely rule out special acoustic properties of the balcony. DaVinci did not get his equipment into the upper balcony. The canyon's acoustics may also have been altered by the earthquake damage which is so evident. This however was probably the best test that could be conducted until someone gains access to the upper balcony or Concert Hall.

Thanks again to those who kindly indulged my curiosity.

As a side note, Davinci reported that he could not see evidence of a doorway in the lower balcony but that there was enough damage to obscure such evidence. I did not think to ask him to check for a trap door from above or below.


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Post Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 10:30 pm — Post subject:

Your wish is my command (bow) Smile So shall I seek again this pathway .


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:15 am — Post subject: Human vs. D'ni technology

Shorah fellow explorers,

I suggest that you also include D'ni technology in this very interesting experiment. Perhaps someone can figure out how to liberate one of the (working!) Neighborhood lecture hall podium devices. We know these devices are capable of recording and playing back sounds, but perhaps there are other common uses the D'ni had for them.

And, of course, look for D'ni technology when you get to the balconies (or remnants/clues to their former presence, as we can't be sure what the DRC did and did not remove during their restoration work).

Good luck! I will hope to read more about these experiments in the near future. Very Happy


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:15 am — Post subject:

I looked today and found an interesting view....this is a spoiler so it is not shown here in the spoiler-free discussion.

You can see my opinion here....

http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=398892#398892

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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 6:43 am — Post subject:

Lordly, I can almost see what you mean, we have certainly seen D'ni technology do things even more amazing, but I have trouble visualizing how your proposed concert hall would house an audience. Can you explain further or provide a diagram?


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:42 am — Post subject:

What if, and just stay with me for a moment here, but what if the concert hall was not intended as an enclosed performance space? Noticing it from the outside, and how it is open the way it is, perhaps it was designed to actually carry sound produced within further out into the cavern itself than in a simple, open space? Basically what I'm saying is...what if the concert hall is just a big amplification chamber? I recall someone noting in another thread how the concert hall didn't seem very well accommodated to allowing large numbers of patrons inside, but if it was only really intended for the performers to enter and then their performance to be heard from the whole of Ae'gura (or even beyond), that would explain a bit as to why.


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 10:21 am — Post subject:

I have been surveying this area extensively and have come to an almost certain conclusion we are looking at this wrong. It is not front to back,but, UP and Down the Foyer we see is the upper level(s). I have some interesting pictures I will share as soon as I can develop them.
The idea of an amphitheater is plausible but I don't think the cavern acoustics would work for musicals. The echo would most likely distort to much, now a stage speaker might be feasible for giving speeches.

Big thanks to Lordly who made me look differently.


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 11:34 am — Post subject:

We really don't know how it would sound. It's quite possible that the cavern was carved out in a specific way to carry music & speeches throughout. Think about the large round areas jutting out over the cavern; perhaps they served as the listening areas.


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:45 pm — Post subject:

Here is one picture for you to examine.

If you look you will see what I believe to be a lower balcony, and a wall going up.This leads me to believe that the Foyer we walk through is the top upper level. The lower front balcony<? would be at a wider point in the rock (kind of like looking at a cone) and so would have more room on the inside. What this balcony<? is far I can not tell yet,but, I do know it is connected to the Concert Hall Foyer by construction. How many levels is yet unknown also, could be 2 or 4. If I come across anything to disprove this I will inform you.




first pic I have posted please forgive my mistakes


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:03 pm — Post subject:

this doesn't have anything to do with the exploration but thought you might like to see it Smile Smile. This is a tree I found ummm
somewhere, Smile on an excursion.



Look familiar???


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Post Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:32 pm — Post subject:

I have read about that lower structure but never seen it so clearly. Does it lie on the same plane as the balcony on the other side?

It has also occurred to me to ask if the DRC designated the balcony as belonging to the concert hall? Or is it like the "tree" in the plaza just named by the explorers. We could be tying ourselves in knots trying to make some sort of pub balcony tie into the Concert Hall. I'm searching the DRC forums but it's slow going.

That's a great tree, where is it? I bet we could create a whole thread on trees. There are stands of trees on the coast that resemble the ironwork pattern in the Ae'gua. As a Mom my mind quickly turned to the trees in Go Dog Go and Fantasia.

[edit] I just looked and it is. I also see that the DRC map seems to include the balcony. The map is often not precise but that seems pretty clear. Still, it could be the balcony is not part of the performance space.


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