Looks like a standard mass produced CD to me.

Artic_Wagon wrote:

Maybe you could apologize to him for your unkind comments.

Maybe you shouldn't tell people what to do, especially when said people are embarking on the noble pursuit of exposing attention trolls.

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johnsojc wrote:

Yes, yes, I am familiar with Rabbit's walkthrough but what has that to do with a limited production of To D'ni CDs which is what we are talking about? I noticed that the copyright on the To D'ni CD image Jahmen linked to was 2004 as well.

Well it looks that To D'ni expansion on CD is rather unique. It must have been something extra-ordinairy. Not something what is in my memory nor in myst lore.
[url=http://en.mystlore.com/wiki/Uru:_To_D'ni]http://en.mystlore.com/wiki/Uru:_To_D'ni[/url]
Still having doubts. Maybe a word from cyan would help.............

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Artic_Wagon wrote:

I beleive that you guys have missed something

Jahmen did post a google link to his To D'ni's cd
https://plus.google.com/104828884770118478513/posts

Ever seen one before

Maybe you could apologize to him for your unkind comments.

A photograph of a CD is not evidence of any of the extraordinary claims he has made. I am perfectly willing to accept that there exists a To D'ni CD, but Jahmen has just taken it as given that of course it differs markedly in content from the download version and from any subsequent version (including, I might add, the rather more widely available Complete Chronicles CD) and therefore of course no modder ever saw this content because Jahmen is the only person in the world to have this particular version of the game. If he does have the CD to photograph, it should be the easiest thing in the world to install it and produce evidence for us.

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I wasn't aware pointing out the photo of the CD was more than proving that there ACTUALLY WAS a CD.

I don't see where anyone was saying that the photo supported more than that.

Edit: OK, from what I could dig up, it appears that the CD was never publicly advertised. Cyan was toying with the idea of charging for expansion packs way back in Feb 2004 and for those who had signed up for Live and had it shut down on them, Cyan was going to provide the first expansion pack free. Perhaps that explains both the existence of the CD and why it is so unknown. This is just my impression of the information I found and is really just an opinion/theory. Perhaps that is why I remember hearing about it as I was one of those people who played Live (or at least tried to play) back then. Only Cyan can verify this since it seems no one else will admit to ever having received this CD.

Considering the To Dni is a free download anyways. Perhaps an ISO of the CD is in order? That way a comparison can be made to see if there is any difference between the CD and download?

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johnsojc wrote:

I wasn't aware pointing out the photo of the CD was more than proving that there ACTUALLY WAS a CD.

I don't see where anyone was saying that the photo supported more than that.

Artic Wagon was saying exactly that when he suggested I apologise for my "unkind comments". If he actually thought the existence of a To D'ni CD was so vital to my point that it deserves apology, he can't have read my post very carefully.

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Some how the existence of the CD and what data may be on it have become linked together when they should be two separate issues.

It also seems to me that there was more than one person referred to in AW's post and the way I read it was AW was only referring to the questioning of the existence of the CD... not what was on it. Perhaps it may seem unkind to blatantly call someone a liar but It would be more productive to simply ask for more proof before wasting any more board space with unsupported statements (oops, /me is guilty as well...).

johnsojc wrote:

Some how the existence of the CD and what data may be on it have become linked together when they should be two separate issues...

Right. I beleive that at one time they were separated.

johnsojc wrote:

It also seems to me that there was more than one person referred to in AW's post and the way I read it was AW was only referring to the questioning of the existence of the CD... not what was on it...

Partially right. Have you checked the title of the thread in the technical forum where he was trying to find someone else who had received that CD and if they had found the same "extra" stuff
re: Disputed Game Content - Proof Required !

and a quote from that technical thread...

Jahmen wrote:

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I’m quickly loosing my patience with all this now and starting to consider risking the change out exchange of hard drives using my old Dell to see if those game files are on any of the old hard drives I have.
P. S. Appreciate all the support and help.

Because of the way you treated him and if I was in his shoes, I would not give any details about the files found on the CD. I would just try to recreate the same conditions and maybe only show images of some new easter egg(s).

Btw, I had a similar experience the first time I played Myst 5. Somehow and not knowing how, I accidently trigerred the programmer's clipping mode (very advanced flymode) and lots of members on the Ubi site did not want to beleive me. (even if, at the time, I showed them unique images like being able to follow a Laki whale from the back and even being able to get inside her like Jonas and being able to "automatically" go back to the beach when pointing in that direction)

I also had experience like that at UBI. I had been messing around in Eder Gira after closing the vent in the middle of the lava river Just by chance and curiosity I tried to jump over the lava river to the outer edge and made it, so I did not hafta link out to finish the first part of the puzzle. I explained this in a thread over at UBI and they did not believe me. Until I explained it in a bit more detail, I guess not to many people knew about it before. So he made us a map and wrote a small description that was a bit easer to understand then what I had wrote

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Artic_Wagon wrote:

Because of the way you treated him and if I was in his shoes, I would not give any details about the files found on the CD. I would just try to recreate the same conditions and maybe only show images of some new easter egg(s).

Well if I was being called I liar, I rather think my response would not be to conceal any evidence that proved the truth of my claims. But frankly I'd be happy if he did just post screenshots. Anything more substantial than his own repeated insistence.

Artic_Wagon wrote:

Btw, I had a similar experience the first time I played Myst 5. Somehow and not knowing how, I accidently trigerred the programmer's clipping mode (very advanced flymode) and lots of members on the Ubi site did not want to beleive me. (even if, at the time, I showed them unique images like being able to follow a Laki whale from the back and even being able to get inside her like Jonas and being able to "automatically" go back to the beach when pointing in that direction)

This is why I was initially concerned that I had overreacted at first, because there are seemingly weird things that can be done even in the online game. Fortunately, though, Jahmen was helpful enough to provide us with a detailed description of content that can only have been achieved by fundamental changes to the game's resources for no apparent purpose beyond providing these "easter eggs" that for some reason were only ever given to Jahmen himself. When I pointed out this latter fact, he seemed utterly unsurprised (to the point of behaving as though it ought to have been obvious to me) that the content on his version of To D'ni was different to everyone else's, and to subsequent releases.

Kadish: Setting up a link hotspot isn't too difficult, but I don't see any reason why one should be there, let alone going to Ae'gura of all places. The whole point of that door is that it's a red herring. Still it's somewhat plausible, even if it makes no sense.

Ae'gura: Removing barriers is fine (although I'm not sure which ones he's referring to) but the gate at the ferry terminal is not set up to swing open. There's no reason they'd expend the effort to do this and then cut it out of subsequent versions.

Bevin: Massive changes required, again never been repeated. It also has all the hallmarks of a "secret" that's been invented by someone who doesn't really understand the game as well as they think they do. Requires serious evidence for me to even consider the possibility.

Gahreesen: He might have swung this as a Skydiver-type trick until he talked about "swimming". Assuming he actually means the type of thing you do in Ahnonay, that's extremely dubious by itself and even more dubious that they'd simply abandon it (this, as you've noticed, is a common complaint of mine). Would obviously require massive changes to the age.

As I see it, either Jahmen has been monumentally misrepresenting the "easter eggs" he found, or he simply fabricated the entire thing. Should he provide evidence that this is not the case I will of course profusely apologise.

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If I made a joke about a secret bahro stone in a truck behind the ferry terminal would anyone get it and moreso the connection?

I can understand being annoyed everyone's doubting him, yes.. but at this point he has two options. Either A: copy out the files on the cd with this mythical property and host them somewhere so we can dig over them and either confirm that yes there is some amazing stuff that shouldn't have gotten out.. or B: host the data and have it show that there IS no special difference from the download or alternately NOT host the CD and say it was lost, or it doesn't want to work, or it wasn't the CD it was some special file downloaded somewhere, and string it out so we can supposedly wait on data recovery from assorted hard drives, before everyone gives up on this like many other stories of the sort and it fades into the background with Jahmen never bringing it up ever again?

Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof, after all. Anecdotes aren't going to cut it. Savegames won't either, we'd need the actual age files.

(As for 'clipping mode' I found out myself in Myst 5 that the game has the same panic-linking feature built in: when running down the Descent steps I somehow ended up jumping (well, running far enough before gravity caught up) *through* the wall to fall in the void. I believe I was linked back to the top of the staircase. I never bothered to say much about it because I never could replicate it because it must've been a one in a million bug with the physics engine. Plus, it wasn't terribly special. Just interesting. I'm sure someone patient could replicate it eventually...)

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Cyan never produced CDs for To D'ni. They authorised Gigex for the download, to much fuss and user-produced CDs.
All of this should be on the Ubisoft forum. The first CD to contain To D'ni was PotS, which was paid for.

Any idea how much it costs for a CD run? What's the point of any expense for a free download?

ETA Surely a CD would have been from Ubisoft as the publisher anyway, not Cyan?

Gondar wrote:

If I made a joke about a secret bahro stone in a truck behind the ferry terminal would anyone get it and moreso the connection?

Did it link to the Mewru Age?

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It actually makes sense if you plan to have a large user base who have barely-capable internet connections. As others have noted, on modems it'd take FOREVER to download the thing, and many people would have it flub up and lose all the time spent and have to start downloading again from scratch. It's possible they were planning to release CDs of all new content updates before they just went to downloads...

There being a CD release I can buy. That image could be photoshopped, sure, but it doesn't matter. The issue is the claims of what's ON the CD.. and that suddenly is critical. Besides, if it's a mass-run CD, every single CD in the batch should have the same issue. (I can attest to sometimes it coming up, I remember a copy of a game where one of the CDs actually had a file bad on it.. something had messed up in the master I guess... I had to actually download a pirate copy of the game I owned to get a copy of the data pack file that was misformed on the real CD. I never heard about it.. but considering how they do CD runs they must've had others who had the same issue. The difference here is if anyone wants, I could post the cd image and file to show they messed up. So far that's the proof we're requesting)

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Rusty_Russell wrote:

Cyan never produced CDs for To D'ni. They authorised Gigex for the download, to much fuss and user-produced CDs.
All of this should be on the Ubisoft forum. The first CD to contain To D'ni was PotS, which was paid for.

Any idea how much it costs for a CD run? What's the point of any expense for a free download?

ETA Surely a CD would have been from Ubisoft as the publisher anyway, not Cyan?

Wafna, in this post, posted a link to this page on the UBI forum where, five posts from the bottom, is a post stating that UBI would send out a CD on request to those with dialup connections, so they would not have to endure a many-hour download for the To D'ni expansion pack.

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