Just curious. Does anyone know where the Nexus is located. I can think of two possibilities--Gahreesen or Great Zero. Both of those have mechanical equipment that could power the nexus book selector machine.

Ok, now on to the marker mission #4. That last marker in mission #3 was a doozie! It was easy to find but hard as h### to get. I must have tried at least 30 times and had to reset the mission a half dozen times. I hate to think how the remaining missions are going to be! D'ni may be ancient ancient history before I'm done!

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Just curious. Does anyone know where the Nexus is located. I can think of two possibilities--Gahreesen or Great Zero. Both of those have mechanical equipment that could power the nexus book selector machine.

Can't be Great Zero because that's in D'ni and you can't Link within the same Age. I don't know if it would be Gahreesen either because of the fact that that's a sensitive Age and even though those are enclosed rooms that can't get out, the D'ni seem to prefer having many Ages, all very specialized to one or two purposes.

It is unknown on what age the Nexus 'machine' is located. We don't know the extent of the age or its nature. All we ever see of it is the small round chamber with the Ki Reader and book dispenser.

The purpose of the Nexus is to serve as a fast transit system for travel between ages and various areas of the D'ni Cavern. Since the D'ni Writing conventions prohibit linking from one spot in an age to another spot in the same age, the Nexus is located on a separate age. It is unknown if the Nexus is located on an age we have already explored. Gahreesen would be a possibility as it was the Guild of Maintainers who set up the Nexus transit system. But, Gahreesen bears a link to its own unique Maintainers Nexus, which, as per the Rules of Writing couldn't be located on Gahreesen itself, but the ways in which linking to this nexus works is mostly unclear, afaik, and seemingly differs a bit from how one ordinarily links.

I have some theories on the Nexus that there may actually be many Nexus machines perhaps on many different ages or multiple stations in the same age. I imagine a large automated storage facility where all the various books are stored until called up by Ki users in the Nexus machines. This is all speculation, however.

Maybe this will shed some light...or not.....http://en.mystlore.com/wiki/Nexus_Terminal

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you can't Link within the same Age

You can link from your relto to your relto.

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You can link from your relto to your relto.

True, but remember Yeesha broke all the rules of linking, specifically mentioning Relto. The Guild of Writers wrote according to their own dogma which includes the belief that you cannot link within an Age.

Yeesha said:

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"Relto... the High Place. Your Age now. It was the first Age I wrote, a gift for my parents and now much more. It reminds me of another home, another place. I even placed the library in the place it belongs. But Relto will change. It will be your soul, showing what you are. Only I could write Relto. It's beyond what the D'ni could accomplish."

My personal guess is the D'ni were right in regards to "you can't link to an age from that age". What they didn't get, however, was just how broad their definition of "age" was. To the D'ni, it was what resulted when you wrote. To Yeesha however, one way or another she learned ironically to see past that broad view to the much bigger narrow view. An age is the specific place you link to. Atrus found out what happens when a broad change is made to an age, and what happens when a small one is made. The question then is does modifying an existing age change the age, or link to a copy that only differs in that you "changed" it? Does the universe care if the electron went through the left slit or the right slit? Wrong question, it went through both and neither because it's all probability, until you observe it. It still makes a probability banding... so if an age is just probabilty it doesn't matter until someone's linked to it and 'resolved' the spread to a point. And maybe a nudge, and well..

I figure that's how Yeesha managed to do the whole instancing spread galore.. I actually believe that's a legitimate IC event, not just gameplay-story segregation. It's why you can have relto pages, why you all have to link out then back in to see it change, and so on. The nexus is in a special Nexus-Only-Age (so as to allow any age in the future to link to it and vice versa), and that's because it uses classic rules, or did until Yeesha went and made it somehow be 'multiverse aware'.

The big reason the D'ni probably didn't worry about it is down that road madness lies. I mean, it's one thing to say there might be other people out there, they had trouble with that. It's a whole OTHER ballpark when you have to say that even you yourself aren't unique because there's an infinite of you out there. And at that point you have to try to decide how it works (my guess? You don't bump into 'yourself' because the Tree auto-corrects and dumps the other-you into an almost identical age differing by stuff you can't see that doesn't interfere with your perceptions of the age).

Personally I think it makes Yeesha that much more of a tragic figure. She knew what happens when you thouyght of age-writing as an act of a god, and then she somehow fell into the same trap merely by having a better age-writing method. And yet in the end she forgot the bahro have been doing it presumably as easily as walking. And she had to learn most of her stuff from them.

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Well, Yeesha learned from the Bah'ro, as you said, and they can link from one place in an Age to another...

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Yeesha is a brilliant writer and had the benefit of the Bahro's broader understanding of the Art. These are creatures who didn't even need books as the D'ni did. Even still, both her parents didn't even have a 'formal' education of the Art. Catherine wasn't even D'ni and both learned from a flawed writer who was self taught (Gehn). Atrus has a better understanding and much of his time on Myst was spent experimenting with what the Art was capable of and developing his own greater understanding of it. Catherine was capable of writing Ages that defied the limits of what Ages were capable of doing even early on. But the benefit of all this is that Yeesha is coming from a line of writers who weren't grounded in the way the D'ni were 'supposed' to write.

To me the Nexus serves as a comparison of what the D'ni were capable of and what Yeesha is capable of. It's quite surprising that the Nexus came so late in D'ni's history. It was never even fully available to the public before the Fall, but I'd imagine this is because of the D'ni's tradition of limiting access to books. As it is, the Nexus serves as a simple solution to a long standing limitation in the Art of Writing. A limitation Yeesha was able to circumvent.

Obviously the purpose of the Nexus is practical. It's a mass transit system. It makes me wonder if the Age it is located on is something basic. I mean, all it would have to do is serve as a platform on which to host the Nexus and any relevant facilities.

Knowing the nature of this Age and what it looks like or how it functions would give us a clearer understanding of what the Maintainers had in mind for the purpose of the Nexus in the long run. Obviously a purpose that was never fully realized.

Actually, knowing the maintainers they'd make the age as utterly stable as possible. My guess? The nexus arrangement is underground, far underground, in some air pocket. The world is geologically dead, no life or chance of life. That way there's no risk of earthquakes or tremors or what have you, no chance of any denziens, and underground means no stray astronomical things will come by either to ruin it. Plus no one can find it, and if someone gets in there's no way for them to get out.. or in if they find a way to the age elsewhere. Plus, since the nexus pods presumably move once loaded, you can't link to a specified pod, meaning anything you do has to be done while you're there with what you brought, unless you can hack the system itself and not just bypass. So you can't experiment over a time period.

Still, my other point remains... we don't know if Yeesha or even the bahro can link to an age from that age, without a 'slingshot' shortcut like the nexus. The bahro link out before they link in to another spot in the age. How long does linking take them? Because, they can link in and out rather quickly compared to the time between... like, almost double? It's possible the same rules apply, and the bahro just use their "link to anywhere innately" ability to link to a safe place they know of, then link back in a different spot. It's kinda like how a wormhole connects two points in space by bypassing space itself. You can't go faster than lightspeed, so you just don't go through space to travel. Personally I think the bahro are the same, and so is Yeesha.

Besides, look at it this way. Yeesha instanced the nexus. Or presumably she did, it was like that so either it's gameplay/story segregation and we have to go "la la la la there's no instancing ever la la la" and ignore the entire design of the game.. or it has an actual method and reason. If she had one, it's probably the simple fact that she knows how to make instances out of books, changes so fine that words can't fully allow it, which is probably a trick the bahro came up with... you can't describe said given spot you want to link to with words alone, but if you can encompass an age in detail past the granularity of the language you can pick exactly what you want. As I implied, it's not that she's breaking the rules or the D'ni were wrong, it's just that their whole view of how to define an age limited them. Yeesha who didn't grow up with that view surpassed it, and was able to show what the Art can REALLY do. And then, because she could, used it to let explorers flood an infinity of subtle variations of the same ages, so they don't go stomping through the *true* versions that the DRC could change without her being able to stop them, but instead the instances she'd prepped for explorers so they'd be funneled into her Journeys and do what she wanted, since she defined what features were there as much as any SQL variable in the vault would.

Funny how sinister Yeesha seems deep down. All the worse when you realize she had the best of intentions the whole time.. and then used that as a justification to manipulate explorers versus, you know, telling. At least the maintainers were obvious about restricting you...

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Ha! A reasonable assumption. For that matter it's conceivable that the nexus is somewhere on the Moon!

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so either it's gameplay/story segregation and we have to go "la la la la there's no instancing ever la la la" and ignore the entire design of the game..

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For that matter it's conceivable that the nexus is somewhere on the Moon!

Or in a Kiva in Minkata other than the 5 known by all....

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The Maintainers' Nexus at Gahreesen (after climbing the wall) is a bit different than the usual Nexus. There was a grate on top of the manhole in the center but for unknown reason it did not show on a screenshot.

Image posted on the forums at the GoMe...
http://www.guildofmessengers.com/en/forum/topic/all-uru-and-myst-games-versions-pictures-gallery#comment-5078

Got a thought... I might be wrong but it's worth a try.
I asked myself this simple question: What is the best possible way to locate an Age in MOULa ?
Answer is: KI coordinates.

Went to Nexus, dropped a marker at the 'link in' spot and went back to the City.
When you open the quest and edit the marker, you actually see its coordinates.
Marker in Nexus reads: 67, 43, -94 which actually makes perfect sense to me.

Then, i went to the nearest spot available in the City. (67, 43, -80).
Pic below shows the actual spot.



Nexus should be way down there, which makes sense, according to Gondar`s thoughts (underground, in an air pocket, no risk of earthquakes or tremors).
Again, i might be completely wrong here but at least, it spreads some light on the subject.

No, the Nexus cannot be in D'ni or anywhere on earth for that matter. In fact, it may not be conceivable that it would be be on Earth's moon as it is unclear what constitutes the boundaries of an Age, but that was just a joke anyway.

And again the reason why is because the D'ni could not link from one point in an age to a different point on the same age. Not until Yeesha came along (Bahro could do this all along)

Besides, the reliability of Ki coordinates is sketchy at best.

The only age that we know of that I can conceive the Nexus as being on is Gahreesen, but probably not the parts of Gahreesen we know of. Presumably there might be more out in that age than just the two tower facilities. And I only base that on the knowledge that Gahreesen was a Maintainers age closely linked to the development, or at least the distribution and maintenance, of the Ki and the Nexus MT system by extension.