Rusty_Russell wrote:

There's a printed timeline for this somewhere (including the gap).
Yeesha being a hologram both times in MOUL is also explained. She's meant to be 50 years older in Myst V than in URU ABM.
MOUL then follows Myst V directly so I was wrong on that part.
This may be on the DRC forum.

Your assurance that this timeline is "somewhere" does nothing to convince me to believe your memory of it is any better than mine or anyone else's.
Your claim that ABM takes place 50 years before MOUL is just demonstrably false. Eli Zandi didn't discover D'ni until 1987. Uru takes place in the present, the conceit is that these things are happening right now. Besides, how do you explain Jeff Zandi not being a wizened old man in MOUL? I'm not sure why you trust your memory of a document that you can't properly identify over this.

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Rusty_Russell wrote:

There's a printed timeline for this somewhere (including the gap).

Do you mean the D'ni-Earth Timeline?

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Hang on... I thought Wheely was about before MOUL. I remember bumping into her once or twice in D'mala, at a rooftop dance party and once just in the city. Heck, she was even vaguely in character at the time. (Vaguely.. I remember her commenting about how she loves the lag cause it let her jump higher)


Hmm. But I guess I was wrong about Atrus returning. If he did, it was before the DRC had even come onto the scene. Must have been confusing with the Esher/whomever they met on noloben.

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Bogardan Mage wrote:

Rusty_Russell wrote:

There's a printed timeline for this somewhere (including the gap).
Yeesha being a hologram both times in MOUL is also explained. She's meant to be 50 years older in Myst V than in URU ABM.
MOUL then follows Myst V directly so I was wrong on that part.
This may be on the DRC forum.

Your assurance that this timeline is "somewhere" does nothing to convince me to believe your memory of it is any better than mine or anyone else's.
Your claim that ABM takes place 50 years before MOUL is just demonstrably false. Eli Zandi didn't discover D'ni until 1987. Uru takes place in the present, the conceit is that these things are happening right now. Besides, how do you explain Jeff Zandi not being a wizened old man in MOUL? I'm not sure why you trust your memory of a document that you can't properly identify over this.

I'll just have to find it.
There are two things -
Yeesha is older in Myst V than she is in ABM
Yeesha is a hologram once at the end of ABM when she first appears. The second time she is substantive. In MOUL she is a hologram both times to reflect that difference in age.
ETA I looked on the DRC site but couldn't find anything. There was a whole wodge of discussion about where MYST V and MOUL fitted (which came first) at the time but I don't remember where. There's still MYST V and URU Obsession for me to look.

Rusty_Russell wrote:

Yeesha is older in Myst V than she is in ABM

Arguable. She's just rendered differently.

Rusty_Russell wrote:

Yeesha is a hologram once at the end of ABM when she first appears. The second time she is substantive. In MOUL she is a hologram both times to reflect that difference in age.

She also appeared in K'veer looking exactly the same, and more tellingly all the fullblooded Ahrotahntee who appear in ABM and Prologue have also not aged 50 years.

Tai'lahr posted a very extensive timeline which fairly unambiguously shows ABM and MOUL being separated by far less than 50 years. It shows nothing at all happening 50 years ago, it jumps straight from 1898 to 1986.

If that's not enough for you, here's a chatlog where Dr Watson says that he was the protagonist of Myst V: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=205526#205526

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Bogardan Mage, I take your point about Zandi. The only thing that's different about him is the fireplace.
I know about Dr Watson being the protagonist in Myst V.
I'd still like to find the Yeesha / 50 years discussion though. I'm not inventing this.
ETA It isn't just me.

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I may be wrong, but I think I have the chronology correct regarding the Life of
Yeesha. She appears in Exile as a newborn; later in Myst IV "Revelation" she
appears as a 10 year old cutie. In the game URU, which was created before
Revelation she appears to be anywhere from mid 20s to a mid 30 something woman.
Lastly in "End of Ages" she appears as an older 50 something woman with graying
at the temples.

Maybe 50 years is too much. It's the gap in Yeesha's age that I'm trying to account for - URU ABM - gap - MYST V - MOUL.

ETA - and the answer is ... retcon

Rusty_Russell wrote:

Bogardan Mage, I take your point about Zandi. The only thing that's different about him is the fireplace.
I know about Dr Watson being the protagonist in Myst V.

Then how can you possibly believe that there's a 50 year gap anywhere?

Rusty_Russell wrote:

I'd still like to find the Yeesha / 50 years discussion though. I'm not inventing this.

Yes, you are. Or you're remembering someone else who was also wrong.

Rusty_Russell wrote:

ETA It isn't just me.

Quote:

I may be wrong, but I think I have the chronology correct regarding the Life of
Yeesha. She appears in Exile as a newborn; later in Myst IV "Revelation" she
appears as a 10 year old cutie. In the game URU, which was created before
Revelation she appears to be anywhere from mid 20s to a mid 30 something woman.
Lastly in "End of Ages" she appears as an older 50 something woman with graying
at the temples.

Maybe 50 years is too much. It's the gap in Yeesha's age that I'm trying to account for - URU ABM - gap - MYST V - MOUL.

Um, I'm not sure what you expect to prove by posting an unattributed quote in which the anonymous poster claims the extrordinary ability to accurately judge the ages of computer generated avatars and still doesn't agree with your "50 years". I've already discussed at length how much I don't care whether people think Yeesha looks older in EoA. The dates are known. There is no retcon. If you insist on stubbornly clinging to the number 50 because you remembered it out of context even as I present you with evidence showing the gap between ABM and MOUL (with EoA in between) to be less than 10 years, then that's your problem.

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Bogardan Mage, it's your problem.
My post about MOUL 50 years after URU ABM was correct. Dr Watson was added after. The timeline was retconned. Talk to Tweek.

Rusty_Russell wrote:

Bogardan Mage, it's your problem.
My post about MOUL 50 years after URU ABM was correct. Dr Watson was added after. The timeline was retconned. Talk to Tweek.

MOUL being 50 years after ABM is not even remotely plausible, given that they're essentially the exact same game. If you've found something link to it, "talk to Tweek" is not good enough.

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Never mind.

If the timeline was retconned, then that's that. What is current canon is canon, and was was changed is not. Myst V takes place during the events of Uru Live.

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What's this with MOUL taking place 50 years after ABM? it's not even possible. MOUL takes place at the real time you play it. Uru ABM is in 2003-2004. Myst V is 2005. I can't see any sense in retconing MOUL to 2053.

BTW, I believe there is no explaination to Yeesha's age and looks. No need for an IC explanation as well. If Cyan cared more they could change it to the old Myst V Yeesha. I strongly believe that the only reason they kept the young Yeesha model for her K'veer speech, is because it's what they had for MOUL (since it's built on ABM). I also think a more "correct" version is Myst V's.

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Here's how it went originally in 2005 when Myst V came out:

ABM Prologue -> 50 year gap -> Myst V -> Moul

The retcon was in 2007. I am still looking for something official from 2005 about Myst V being set 50 years after prologue,.

Really? strange...I have never heard about that.

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There are hints about it. There's a reference in WikiLore about the time setting for Myst V being ambiguous, but I can't find anything definitive from 2005. Uru Obsession, which might have helped, closed down last year. "IIRC" seems to be all that's left (which doesn't prove much).

I didn't know that the timeline had been retconned when I first posted. That was done in September 2007. This leaves how Yeesha looks in Myst V as an anomaly.