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Although I am a Greeter, my opinion is NOT an official stance of the GoG!

My opinion and ONLY my opinion:
I do not understand why anyone would be negative towards people who are going out of their way to be nice to others. Many people give of themselves and do not expect much in return, but to hold them in such disrespect seems a bit odd and quite frankly, not very kind-hearted.

If such opinions are the future of Uru it will surely fail, because in reality, community is what Uru is about. The wonderful worlds to explore are just icing on the proverbial cake. It is the positive interaction of the explorers that make the cavern such a haven from world above. It is a place where race, creed, color, sex, age, or ability never stand in the way of being a part of something that is new and wonderful.

Yeah, I am from the 60s

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Yeah, I'm from the 60s too. Probably why I agree with you. Greet on!

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First, read what I wrote. I am not in the GOG. Second, they are giving up their time to help you and others. It would be just a nice thing to help them. Just my opinion as a nice gesture as we look forward to a new experience online with URU. None of them are asking for anything. Again, I'm not in the GOG. They would NEVER ask for anything, I guarantee...but it doesn't mean they don't deserve it, Mr. Scrooge.

Nice gestures are fine, but this kind of gesture will just annoy and anger people.

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Still, they are trained and qualified helpers, more so than, say, you. And, yes, they are doing it because they want to and love the game.

More qualified than myself? I doubt that, having been in the community since 98, an ex greeter I have proberbly forgotten more about D'ni than some people have learnt. Not saying I'm above people cause I'm not. But thats just a rediculous concept when there are people who arn't greeters who know just as much if not more. Anyone can greet, its about being helpful not being under a flag.

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A lot of this country runs on the generosity of volunteers. That doesn't mean they don't WANT remuneration. It means they believe in what they are doing enough that money is not a consideration or requirement. Try it sometime. It feels good. And if somebody does you a favor as "repayment" for your generosity, it feels very good, indeed.

I am not denying that the GoG do a decent job, there are several groups that have been helping the community before the GoG was even considered as an idea, people like Aquila who saved one of the communitys main hubs from destruction after the Joker incident. Although Aquila has passed away why shouldn't people like him who have done a huge amount for the community (with health and finance suffering because of it I might add) get reduced fee's? It starts a chain reaction, people see it as elitism, people sign up to these groups just to get a reduced fee, ill feelings from other groups that do as much but arnt as public who arnt getting reduced fee's start.

I've been around long enough to know that such a system would cause alot of damage.

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Tim wrote:

First, read what I wrote.

Okay

Tim wrote:

I was a Greeter for a time, and it is a commitment.

Tim wrote:

I am not in the GOG.

hmm...now that we know where you're /really/ coming from....O.o


Now, moving on. They are not trained for anything. Who's qualified to train them? Just cos someone was in the beta and knows their way around? That's not training.

And another thing, "a lot of this country" doesn't apply here, as there are international players. How egocentric of you.

How dare you tell me to "try it sometime"? Do you know me? I think not. Just because I find your opinion offensive doesn't mean you can automatically assume things about me.

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Well, yes, Kehra, I did say "this" country, meaning "my" country, not yours or another's. I'm pretty sure, though, that there are volunteers in most every civilized country. And no, of course I don't know you, but I know more about you now than I did before.

My initial post was in reaction to an air of bitterness and selfishness I was reading from you guys. And your replies aren't helping me dissipate that. Regardless. I'm glad you are willing to be there for anyone needing help. I also like having an official Greeters group on the scene 24/7. I can always seat myself in a restaurant too, but I love having the host or hostess waiting there with a smile to show me to my table. And I always leave a tip out of appreciation for the service and attention.

And Tweek, for someone who knows more than anyone has forgotten and has been around this game nearly as long as I have, you sure are one angry, defensive person. How come? No one is attacking you personally. If you're against recognizing the GOG in some nice way, fine. Either way, your gaming experience will be as good as it has always been.

I too see the "air of bitterness and selfishness" appearing in this thread and in some others as well. I don't understand it and probably never will, but it is destructive and smells strongly of the same Greed, Pride, and Ego that caused the fall of the D'ni.

Meanspirited personal attacks and attacks on groups, official or unofficial, is unwarranted in a civil society. It is the path of destruction, not the path of rebuilding consensus.

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OK now lets not let the idea of Guilds start the fall of D'ni already..lol
Personaly I like the Greeters. There were times when I was busy doing one thing or another and someone needed help and I could just point them over to the nearest greeter.

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I am angry and defensive because life and this community has made me such. Such is life.

Bitterness and Selfishness may come into it, I am a very bitter person and yes I wouldnt be happy to be paying more than a GoG member because of their "service".

I have no problems admiting that. But my point of how the community would feel about that is valid, just take a look at the DRC Liaison votes and see how heated that got.

UruLive is a sore subject with many people, some people were hurt by the closing and some people we hurt really badly by it. This often leads to very passionate responses from people.

Those who do alot of work should be appreciated yes, but I find a "Thanks you guys are doing a good job" or "I really like what you have set up thank you" works a lot better than something that will foster ill feelings.

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You know, I'm not sure why I even opened my mouth. People like you will never get it. Nor will you ever understand where I'm coming from.

I apologise for bothering. I will not be doing so in the future. Thank you for reminding me of so many things.

I think we need a new separate shard called D'ramaqueen.

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I am angry and defensive because life and this community has made me such. Such is life.

Unfortunately you made that choice yourself. Please don't try to bring this community down to your level.

I feel you are trying to read something sinister into these simple conversational posts. I see them as normal chat and shouldn't be taken any other way.

Natika
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I think Tweek and Kehra are right, and I don't understand the need for becoming so angry at each other.

I always thought the Greeters were volunteers - i.e. people who enjoy what they are doing: it should be not a sacrifice, but a pleasure.
If a Greeter feels (s)he should be rewarded with a lower fee because of what (s)he does, then I guess there's something wrong. The reward should be the simple act of greeting.

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