VoiZod wrote:

The Relyimah which the terahtee people called the Bahro , The D'ni people
are the ones who called them Bahro.

Nope, the bahro on Terahnee are described as being "men", and the word bahro was a pejorative synonym for ahrotantee among the D'ni as well.

Tesseract is right...

In Terahnee:

Relyimah = bahro = slaves of the Tehrahnee that "looked like men"

In D'ni:

Relyimah = secret police force of the King (can't remember which king started this)

Bahro = gaint ant-ish looking creatures that can link, seemingly at will.

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Frisky Badger wrote:

Tesseract is right...

In Terahnee:

Relyimah = bahro = slaves of the Tehrahnee that "looked like men"

In D'ni:

Relyimah = secret police force of the King (can't remember which king started this)

Bahro = gaint ant-ish looking creatures that can link, seemingly at will.

Doesn't the term relyimah mean "the unseen?" The Tehranhnee relyimah were unseen as was the King's secret police force.

But, bahro is the term for "beast people." So, even though Yeesha calls them bahro, we still don't the true name for the race of beings we hear (and sometimes see) in the cavern. Furthermore, is Yeesha being just a little disrespectful by using such a derogatory term?

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zenful6219 wrote:

Doesn't the term relyimah mean "the unseen?" The Tehranhnee relyimah were unseen as was the King's secret police force.

Right. The name makes perfect sense in both cases, but the two groups were unseen for completely different reasons.

I sure hope Cyan clears this mess up in the next episode.

It has become a quagmire of sorts

1. Bahro - D'ni changed the name Relyimah to Bahro because they
they already had a secret police force called the Relyimah,
they were also Unseen.

2. Relyimah - Terahnee called the bahro slaves Relyimah or the unseen.
Later the Relyimah revolted and took over Terahnee
and changed its name to Devokan.

3. The Least - There was a sub-class of D'ni called The Least.
Yeesha refered to The Least as Bahro.

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The BAhro Origin - Nobolean - the StarFissure - Garternay - Eder Kemo,
(the Garden age of King Somat), Terahnee.

The MAIN question; Is the Bahro what make the 'Art' possible?

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VoiZod wrote:

1. Bahro - D'ni changed the name Relyimah to Bahro because they
they already had a secret police force called the Relyimah,
they were also Unseen.

no, No, NO! (Sorry )

The Bahro that we know were never called Relyimah, ever.

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VoiZod wrote:

I sure hope Cyan clears this mess up in the next episode.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Cyan is not in the habit of spelling things out. They prefer to let us work things out on our own, so all we usually get from them is something like "That sounds plausible to me" when we state our theories to them.

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See My POINT has been made.

Its a Quagmire! Cyan has to somehow make canon the Bahro Origin
the rest will hopfuly fall into place.

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Before the Fall, there were several earthquakes which Aitrus attributed to the proximity of the volcano, yet the experts stated that it was due to “settling” of the area. Aitrus himself said there was no history of such local disturbances in the city. It is possible that these were just normal earthquakes, and the experts were wrong.

However, I have another theory.

The first major quake happened when Aitrus took two steps into a new cave.
The major quake that destroyed the shaft happened next to a large cave.
Dr. Kodama believes that the accident Wheely was in was caused by the Bahro, and this took place after she entered a cave.
We know the Bahro can make earthquakes.
We know the Tablet was found in K’veer.

I believe this is what happened:

The first quakes happened because the D’ni were invading the Bahro territory. The caves mentioned in the Book of Ti’ana are Bahro caves. During the course of their plot against the D’ni, Veovis and A’Gaeris must have come upon the Tablet and placed it in K’veer, the home of Veovis and the base of operations for the two. They used the Tablet to cause the final earthquake as they were releasing the poison gas.

Interesting theory. But:

Wouldn't this mean that the Bahro were able to, of their own volition, perform the quite significant act of causing a fairly severe earthquake when Aitrus entered their cave, when as far as we know they were utterly enslaved?

Wouldn't Gehn, and later Atrus and the others, have noticed the Tablet sitting in K'veer? Wouldn't Yeesha have noticed it pretty early on, rather than needing to delve deep into the secrets of the Art to learn of its existence?

Would Veovis or Ae'gaeris have been able to take the Tablet?

I was always under the impression that the Ronay learned The Art by studying the Bahro and masqueraded as "those gifted by The Maker" when, in fact, that title belongs to the Bahro or rightfully should as we've seen.

Fearing the Bahro, the king had them enslaved and stored between the links sealed by four pillars bearing inscriptions similar to Garohevtee. These pillars would effectively link the creatures individually to 4 separate places at once (which could be attributed to up, down, left, and right) and bind them in between the links which I believe is the location of star fissure. Simply linking them to a prison Age would be useless as they, being the true masters of The Art can link at will so they would need to be suspended between the links.

The tablet was probably then constructed in a similar fashion just in case or as a failsafe to control them, if the Bahro were ever released. The tablet would then not exist in reality until they return from the void. This theory of mine suggests that not only were the Bahro enslaved by the D'ni.. they were removed from reality altogether and forgotten for fear of their power.

With the masters out of the way the second best can become the masters.

As for the quakes, I always attributed them to the bombs reverberating in the cavern giving the impression of an earthquake. I don't know if you've ever made a noise in a cave but everything is magnified and moreso when there's a body of water nearby.

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Tesseract wrote:

Wouldn't this mean that the Bahro were able to, of their own volition, perform the quite significant act of causing a fairly severe earthquake when Aitrus entered their cave, when as far as we know they were utterly enslaved?

There has been no evidence that their enslavement was "utter". We know that the Tablet forced the Bahro to perform certain acts, but we do not know how much control over them it had in every area. We know they were loose for the most part on Noloben during their "enslavement".

Tesseract wrote:

Wouldn't Gehn, and later Atrus and the others, have noticed the Tablet sitting in K'veer? Wouldn't Yeesha have noticed it pretty early on, rather than needing to delve deep into the secrets of the Art to learn of its existence??

When Gehn and Atrus came along it was after the severe earthquakes. There was extensive damage to K'veer. Even when Atrus began the restoration he needed help from others to dig just one entrance in K'veer. There was much more burried. Even now, notice the blocked passageways.

Tesseract wrote:

Would Veovis or Ae'gaeris have been able to take the Tablet?

I'm assuming you are asking if it is possible for someone to move the Keep? It must be. Perhaps once in control of the Tablet, the master could command the Bahro to move the Keep to that location.

Loshem wrote:

As for the quakes, I always attributed them to the bombs reverberating in the cavern giving the impression of an earthquake.?

No, there were earthquakes several months before, there was one when the crack appeared and the gas was released, and there was one after. If an explosion caused the quake, it would only have been the one at the release of the gas. Remember, they had a series of explosions preceeding this event, with the terrorism of Veovis and A'Gaeris, but no one confused them with earthquakes.

Loshem wrote:

The tablet would then not exist in reality until they return from the void.

As I said above, many Bahro were moving around during their enslavement. Yeesha herself said they were used by the D'ni as slaves. She mentions Teledahn specifically, and other ages being build on their backs.

I just finished reading the Book of Ti'ana again and had an idea about the quake. What if it was caused by subtle changes made to the Descriptive Book of the Age of D'ni (or the Book of Earth, as it is called in the novel). One of the "5 Classics" was desecrated by A'gaeris, what if he did the same to the Book of D'ni? Of course, this theory hinges on the location of the descritpive book. Do we know where the Book of D'ni ended up?

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