One thought about the implications...

(Sorry I had to voice my opinions on the design of the puzzle, though I don't think the excuse that it's BETA cuts it, since this Age has been in beta for quite some time, as I hear....)

Has anyone noticed that the spiral journey cloths in Eder Delin look just like the spiral on your "special Relto bridge/lantern/sun-moon page" island? Go back and look at the lantern, or just that island. There's a nice big spiral just like the journey cloths.

I think this may be part of the overarching storyline for the first year. I'm quite excited to see where this will lead.

(And just because I expressed my displeasure at how this particular puzzle was implemented, does NOT mean that I don't like Uru or that I'll ever quit it. Didn't want you to get that idea, but I kind of just wanted to let Cyan know, if they're listening. They know whether it's so difficult by design or bug, and so they can see that I feel that it shouldn't take hours to do a five minute job. Just in hopes that Eder Tsogahl won't be quite so frustrating or tedious when it comes out... I'm already looking forward to that next Age!! )

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I was surprised that there was no speech from Yeesha in the cave. Other than that, seemed clear that the purpose of the age was to build teamwork and I am sure there will eventually be context for that.

Not clear how this fits, if at all, with the sparklies/sundial in our relto. But let's consider this: there are now TWO DISTINCT reward/progress totems in our Reltos - the "rotating pit" and the "sundial platform." Completion of each totem could trigger one or two distinct, future journeys or paths.

The rotating pit is in the relative Myst island position of Channelwood age. The sundial platform is in the position of the space ship. In other words, both known "places of protection" on Myst that Yeesha would know about. Logical places for new journeys or travels to be lodged.

I did have a long, long time (until 4 a.m., to my wife's horror) on Friday night with UO neighborhood folks and others. Solved once in a team in about 1.5 hours, came to help another group with Migo and solved very fast (good coordination there) and then a last group with where the bugginess of the door was a factor - also, perhaps, we were getting punchy (I know I was). The only difference for me in having to work together was that getting to the new age was somewhat anticlimactic - I just jumped in and went to work without just looking around in the age, which is normally what I like to do. Time later to go back and poke around, I suppose. I always expected that this would be a smaller garden age so was not surprised by the size.

Visually, it reminded me a LOT of the grove in the Selenitic (sic?) age in Myst. I always liked that grove with the trees and the waterfall. It is especially cool in RealMYST too.

Well, what do others think about the journeys and Yeesha?

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In eder kemo world,beyond the flying-glowing in rain-thing(i don't know how to call it ),there was a linking stone.Anyone sure there is no linking stone there in eder delin?

I've checked - there is *no* linking book behind the floating statue in Eder Delin, at least not at the moment.

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What I'm wondering about is why there's a linking book back to the neighborhood. I mean, we all have Reltos if we were stuck.

But I do like your theory about the spaceship and the sunken ship from Myst and their relative places. In fact, I've noticed that the whole Relto is similar to Myst Island. Wouldn't it be neat if once the rewards are fully in our Relto (all sparklies acquired, all donuts acquired), we can access those ages from the original Myst. Who knows, maybe the clock page will even be like the clock from Myst. I can't remember what that page was like in the expansion pack, though.

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GAThrawn wrote:

What I'm wondering about is why there's a linking book back to the neighborhood. I mean, we all have Reltos if we were stuck.

How would the D'ni get back to their homes? They didn't have Relto books.

Remember, this is an ancient age of the D'ni. The DRC is restoring it.

Jinglish wrote:

I was surprised that there was no speech from Yeesha in the cave. Other than that, seemed clear that the purpose of the age was to build teamwork and I am sure there will eventually be context for that.

Not clear how this fits, if at all, with the sparklies/sundial in our relto. But let's consider this: there are now TWO DISTINCT reward/progress totems in our Reltos - the "rotating pit" and the "sundial platform." Completion of each totem could trigger one or two distinct, future journeys or paths.

The rotating pit is in the relative Myst island position of Channelwood age. The sundial platform is in the position of the space ship. In other words, both known "places of protection" on Myst that Yeesha would know about. Logical places for new journeys or travels to be lodged.

I did have a long, long time (until 4 a.m., to my wife's horror) on Friday night with UO neighborhood folks and others. Solved once in a team in about 1.5 hours, came to help another group with Migo and solved very fast (good coordination there) and then a last group with where the bugginess of the door was a factor - also, perhaps, we were getting punchy (I know I was). The only difference for me in having to work together was that getting to the new age was somewhat anticlimactic - I just jumped in and went to work without just looking around in the age, which is normally what I like to do. Time later to go back and poke around, I suppose. I always expected that this would be a smaller garden age so was not surprised by the size.

Visually, it reminded me a LOT of the grove in the Selenitic (sic?) age in Myst. I always liked that grove with the trees and the waterfall. It is especially cool in RealMYST too.

Well, what do others think about the journeys and Yeesha?

Hey, check out the spoiler tags!

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OK, so for those of us who have completed Eder Delin..

What is the exact purpose of the Spiral Journey?

We have had NO storyline introduction to it. Plus the new Bahro cave had no Yeesha speech or anything so we really don't know what we're supposed to be taking away from this.

I mean, yes, the tactile rewards are obvious. We appear to be completing another ring on the wheel in Relto, but what are we supposed to be LEARNING from this experience? What is our purpose here?

In The Journey it was to learn the plight of the Bahro. In the Path of the Shell it was to walk in Yeesha's footsteps as the Grower. But what ARE we doing here? What's the story behind it?

Which leads to the question I'm sure is on everybody's mind after completing Eder Delin.. what's going to happen when you complete Tsoghal (other than completing the ring) if anything?

This post is not meant as a critique on Cyan's handling of the story so far (although that may be a worthy line of thought), but more to discuss the implications of this journey so far.

OOC: Personally I think this is meant as a stopgap to fill the need for ages until Cyan has the POTS ages prepared for relaunch with its revised storyline, but I can't think of an IC explanation for this journey.

I have not yet finished Delin, though I have been there. The very first thing I noticed is that there is no stamp on the Delin book at all. My GZ book has Yeesha's mark and my Nexus and Gahreesen book have the DRC stamp, but the Delin book has no stamp at all.

I did get a pair of KI messages from the DRC; one saying that Delin books had been distributed to only half of the neighborhoods and that another book would be in the same stand in the neighborhoods that got no Delin books. The other said that everyone would get Delin books and they were sorry for the inconvenience.

Seeing how shakey the age is, I would say that the DRC released Delin too early in order to meet deadlines. This may explain why there is no stamp on the book.

I think this may be indicative of Cate Alexander's heavy handed tactics. I don't know what her agenda is, but I'm sure she has one and it is not simply exploration.

I believe she has silent backing, though I cannot discern the source. It is my opinion that she is using us as guinea pigs to test the ages and books. I feel she has a larger scheme than the simple restoration of D'ni. She is shelling out a crapload of cash and the return for tourism won't be that high unless she has grander schemes planned. As it is the city is awesome, the linking technology impressive. Just think, though, are there not far more profitable uses for such wonders than simple historical research?

Anyway, that's my theory. Cate had the book released early. She probably planned to have two test groups; one for Delin and one for another age.

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I believe she has silent backing, though I cannot discern the source.

Perhaps Cate is the herald of the "Destruction" we were warned about? Perhaps her backer is the "He" Yeesha referred to?

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silmefea wrote:

I believe she has silent backing, though I cannot discern the source. It is my opinion that she is using us as guinea pigs to test the ages and books. I feel she has a larger scheme than the simple restoration of D'ni. She is shelling out a crapload of cash and the return for tourism won't be that high unless she has grander schemes planned. As it is the city is awesome, the linking technology impressive. Just think, though, are there not far more profitable uses for such wonders than simple historical research?

You bring up a very interesting point. Investors require at least the possibility of returns, and I'm not sure what returns Cate plans to get unless she has something else in mind.

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(So many threads about this abound, forgive me again for repeating a thought I had.) Several things in Delin have caught my eye. The first being the kings hall symbol being on the floor of the gazebo, and in other areas in the age, very faded, and ancient looking. The description of the age in Shomat's book we found in Eder Kemo and on Tokatah Roof to me really matches this age, as it didn't match Eder Kemo. If this were indeed his garden age, it would explain too the lack of drawings on the walls as well, and possibly even the lack of a Yeesha speech--could the changes he made have prevented it? Or could it be Yeesha's way of showing us the silence caused by his actions? His book also told us he had shared his garden publicly with all in D'ni except his brothers. That could explain the book being placed in Bevins.

While exploring with Kami, she noticed an Egg on top of the giant floating statue. That's noteworthy, and it really makes me think the statues have a religious significance of some sort. It puts me in mind of the Egg Room in Bevin as well. (having not played this as long as some of you, I don't know it's proper name, purpose or history.) That room would also tie it in with the egg on the statue.

As for Cate, I am thinking she means to open it up as a tourist attraction at the very least, or as an expensive housing area, moving people back into the city. Tourism is the biggest idea though. People would indeed pay large amounts to explore this culture. A real Living Museum, with 'rides' and 'attractions' to go with it. A museum they can really interact with, orrrrr......

I could easily see a D'ni Adventure theme park being put into motion with us testing all the puzzles that the public would get to do. People would pay large sums of money to enter an Age like Teledahn just to solve the puzzles and see the wonder that is Shroomie--Teledahns version of Shamu! With a gift shop selling plush Shroomies and Flappers and collectibles! Vacation in the beauty of Eder Delin, with gorgeous period housing in Bevin! Just $999.95 per person!

One could also ask what the intention of investors who back archeologists is though. Most of what they find is museum bound anyway. Credit for the discovery? More funding for future digs? Taking artifacts and selling them on the black market?

With so much still to be opened and done though, intentions aren't really clear at all at this point.

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deathsbedbug wrote:

People would indeed pay large amounts to explore this culture.

We already are....

(I like your idea about a D'ni theme park, though. )

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GAThrawn wrote:

What I'm wondering about is why there's a linking book back to the neighborhood. I mean, we all have Reltos if we were stuck.

But I do like your theory about the spaceship and the sunken ship from Myst and their relative places. In fact, I've noticed that the whole Relto is similar to Myst Island. Wouldn't it be neat if once the rewards are fully in our Relto (all sparklies acquired, all donuts acquired), we can access those ages from the original Myst. Who knows, maybe the clock page will even be like the clock from Myst. I can't remember what that page was like in the expansion pack, though.

dock area for the boat age maybe However i doubt that we would link to myst ages through Relto. We know that the Myst island has been at least partially completed from POTS of course

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