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So today I was playing Heek with a few people when this one person linked in, "Shiom Charkartay". He said "So this is a neighborhood...", and I smelt an IC story, so I started a log. My IC was a bit rough at first, I'm out of practice, but I improved...

[spoiler](01/22 07:46:51) Chat.log started...
(01/22 07:46:57) Kedry: What do you mean by new?
(01/22 07:46:59) RyanSDavis: i haven't yet...well, not really
(01/22 07:47:12) Shiom Charkartay: I meant nothing, as I didn't say it. What did you mean?
(01/22 07:47:22) Kedry: As in, new to Live.
(01/22 07:47:30) Kedry: New to online play.
(01/22 07:48:05) Shiom Charkartay: New to the City, you mean?
(01/22 07:48:11) Kedry: Yeah, new to D'ni.
(01/22 07:48:32) Shiom Charkartay: I have not visited until recently, but I have heard about it for a long time.
(01/22 07:48:33) RyanSDavis: Come play heek with us
(01/22 07:48:40) Kedry: Hm. Where from?
(01/22 07:49:05) Shiom Charkartay: A friend.
(01/22 07:49:18) Kedry: Ah. Is this your first time in a neighborhood?
(01/22 07:49:23) Shiom Charkartay: Yes.
(01/22 07:49:41) Kedry: Good game.
(01/22 07:49:44) You are now rank 1 with 103 points!
(01/22 07:49:51) Kedry: That's enough for me.
(01/22 07:49:55) Kedry: Thanks for playing.
(01/22 07:49:59) RyanSDavis: You too
(01/22 07:50:05) Sheena: ill do another
(01/22 07:50:20) Kedry: Red eyes...
(01/22 07:50:28) Shiom Charkartay: This is a place for people to live and yet, to my knowledge, no one lives here.
(01/22 07:50:35) Shiom Charkartay: Yes, all my people have red eyes.
(01/22 07:50:39) Kedry points
(01/22 07:50:43) Kedry: There is a home.
(01/22 07:50:49) Shiom Charkartay: A home?
(01/22 07:50:54) Kedry: A window.
(01/22 07:51:10) Shiom Charkartay: But it is not occupied?
(01/22 07:51:14) Kedry: If you'll follow...
(01/22 07:51:39) Kedry needs a moment to breathe!
(01/22 07:51:52) Kedry: These are doors to "Apartments"
(01/22 07:51:59) Kedry: They are unocupied.
(01/22 07:52:00) Shiom Charkartay: So I see.
(01/22 07:52:06) Kedry: People like to live on their Reltos.
(01/22 07:52:22) Shiom Charkartay: Yes, so I heard.
(01/22 07:52:23) Sheena: what a shame :)
(01/22 07:52:28) RyanSDavis: Yeah
(01/22 07:52:37) Shiom Charkartay: A cramped place, it seems.
(01/22 07:52:37) RyanSDavis: I wonder if the city is full
(01/22 07:52:41) Kedry: Maybe some lives here in...6497.
(01/22 07:52:47) Kedry: It's light is on.
(01/22 07:52:48) Sheena: gratulations. that was a ruler :)
(01/22 07:53:10) Kedry: So, all your people have red eyes? Who are you?
(01/22 07:53:26) Shiom Charkartay: I am Shiom of E'toch. A Charkartay.
(01/22 07:53:39) Shiom Charkartay bows
(01/22 07:53:39) Kedry: Who are the Charkartay? Is that in Canada?
(01/22 07:53:51) Kedry says hey
(01/22 07:53:56) Shiom Charkartay: Canada? An unfamiliar name.
(01/22 07:54:29) Kedry: Let's move to the fountain. It's more comfortable there.
(01/22 07:55:04) Kedry: So, as I asked before, Who are the Charkartay?
(01/22 07:55:15) Shiom Charkartay: People.
(01/22 07:55:26) Kedry: Yes, but what sort? Where are they from?
(01/22 07:55:44) Shiom Charkartay: Elsewhere.
(01/22 07:55:50) Shiom Charkartay: It is best that I not try to explain.
(01/22 07:56:03) Kedry: Define "Elsewhere". Earth? An age?
(01/22 07:56:24) Shiom Charkartay: Are all your people so inquisitive?
(01/22 07:56:36) Kedry: Naw, just we who come to D'ni.
(01/22 07:56:38) Kedry: ;)
(01/22 07:56:47) Kedry: Never mind then. What brings you here?
(01/22 07:57:09) Shiom Charkartay: I am... exploring? Searching?
(01/22 07:57:13) Shiom Charkartay: Trying to learn.
(01/22 07:57:24) Kedry: Searching for what, if I may ask?
(01/22 07:57:43) Shiom Charkartay: That I am not sure. History, perhaps.
(01/22 07:57:48) Kedry: Mm.
(01/22 07:57:48) Shiom Charkartay: Or even, the future.
(01/22 07:58:03) Kedry: The Future?
(01/22 07:58:15) Shiom Charkartay: No, the future. Not worth the fuss.
(01/22 07:58:27) Shiom Charkartay: I've seen a lot of future and it's never so grand as you expect.
(01/22 07:58:36) Kedry: Explain.
(01/22 07:59:19) Shiom Charkartay: Hmm. Normally when I say something that sounds like an old saying, people just listen to it and don't ask questions.
(01/22 07:59:31) Shiom Charkartay: All I meant was that expectations rarely live up to reality.
(01/22 07:59:55) Kedry: Those who see the future don't need to make their own expectations, do they not?
(01/22 08:00:16) Shiom Charkartay: The future only is expectations.
(01/22 08:00:21) Shiom Charkartay: You expect the future, and then it happens.
(01/22 08:00:36) Shiom Charkartay: If you do not expect, you will live only in the present.
(01/22 08:00:57) Shiom Charkartay: And you will never be surprised when you are wrong.
(01/22 08:00:57) Kedry: Ah, but if you *See* the future, your expectation is sure, but if you do not see, it is but a guess.
(01/22 08:01:30) Shiom Charkartay: To see the future is never clear. Most often, we see what we wish when we look that way.
(01/22 08:01:48) Kedry: May I ask, are you...human?
(01/22 08:02:01) Shiom Charkartay: I am not sure. Are the D'ni human?
(01/22 08:02:31) Kedry: They are not.
(01/22 08:02:39) Shiom Charkartay: In what way?
(01/22 08:02:42) Kedry: Those from the surface above the cavern are.
(01/22 08:02:49) Kedry: The D'ni are from another world.
(01/22 08:02:52) Kedry: They fled here.
(01/22 08:03:12) Kedry: You can identify them by their very slow ageing.
(01/22 08:03:14) Shiom Charkartay: But they look the same. Their bodies have the same shape as ours, yes?
(01/22 08:03:25) Kedry: I believe so. I've never met one.
(01/22 08:03:41) Shiom Charkartay: They may be different, but so are all races from one another. Could they not, then, still be human?
(01/22 08:03:52) Kedry: Well...
(01/22 08:03:55) Kedry: Ahm...
(01/22 08:03:59) Kedry: :
(01/22 08:04:04) Kedry: You've got me.
(01/22 08:04:05) Shiom Charkartay: Never mind. It is a frivolous argument.
(01/22 08:04:33) Shiom Charkartay: Whether you are human or not is a manner of how you are called. So I cannot say whether I am human until I see how I am called.
(01/22 08:05:01) Kedry: Whether you are human comes from where you are from...are you from the surface of Earth?
(01/22 08:05:35) Shiom Charkartay: In a manner of speaking, yes.
(01/22 08:05:42) Kedry: Please explain.
(01/22 08:06:09) Shiom Charkartay: No. It is... not exactly forbidden, but not wise at this time.
(01/22 08:06:21) Kedry: I see.
(01/22 08:06:33) Shiom Charkartay: My people could be in danger if those here learned of their location.
(01/22 08:06:40) Kedry: So you are under a higher authority of your kind?
(01/22 08:06:56) Shiom Charkartay: In a sense.
(01/22 08:07:17) Shiom Charkartay: Though there is no individual higher than me, I am a servant to the interests and traditions of my people.
(01/22 08:07:31) Kedry: I understand.
(01/22 08:07:42) Kedry: Still, why do you wish to learn?
(01/22 08:08:07) Shiom Charkartay: Because there is danger in ignorance.
(01/22 08:08:18) Kedry: What do you fear from D'ni?
(01/22 08:08:35) Shiom Charkartay: From D'ni? Nothing. It is a dead city.
(01/22 08:08:40) Shiom Charkartay: I fear those who would misuse it.
(01/22 08:08:52) Kedry: Who do you fear would misuse it?
(01/22 08:08:57) Shiom Charkartay: Any.
(01/22 08:08:57) Kedry: The DRC?
(01/22 08:09:00) Kedry: Yeesha?
(01/22 08:09:04) Kedry: The explorers?
(01/22 08:09:08) Shiom Charkartay: All have the ability to be foolish.
(01/22 08:09:18) Shiom Charkartay: And so I will be careful.
(01/22 08:09:25) Kedry: So, you learn, then.
(01/22 08:09:29) Shiom Charkartay: And hope any of my kind who come later have the wisdom to do the same.
(01/22 08:10:23) Kedry: Are you renegade?
(01/22 08:10:32) Shiom Charkartay: No.
(01/22 08:11:00) Shiom Charkartay: Ah, well. Enough time has passed. I shall go now.
(01/22 08:11:08) Kedry: Nice to meet you.
(01/22 08:11:08) Shiom Charkartay (I'm on the surface, be back in a minute):
[Shiom links to his Relto]
(01/22 08:11:16) ...Chat.log stopped.
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I must say, a well-played fan storyline.

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IC, I myself may or may not be a robot, so I don't mean any insult... but to me the chat log of your new friend just reads like a bunch of self-important RPG-generic double-speak. :roll:

But... to make a constructive comment :wink:: I think it's a good thing that people can RP all kinds of things in the Cavern, but I think that it does a *huge* disservice to the game for people to go around espousing similar but competing mythos from the established and developing D'ni storyline.

People just shouldn't be wondering if the new RPer they just met might be a secret Cyan or DRC agent, revealing a new storyline to them, or just someone playing out their need to feel important in the game.


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IC: Who knows, perhaps there are others who have noticed the awakening of D'ni, and are taking personal interest in the DRC, and Yeesha. His perspective on history, and his perception of the future might indicate a presence parallel to the grower. The existence of other very powerful alien species is not unfamiliar territory.

OOC: It certainly was an uncommonly well played interaction whether its actual story or RP.


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People just shouldn't be wondering if the new RPer they just met might be a secret Cyan or DRC agent, revealing a new storyline to them, or just someone playing out their need to feel important in the game.


:P Oh, good grief - why on earth not? :P

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For the most part, the DRC personnel all have customized avatars, so it's pretty easy to spot an RPG player because they will have on the same clothing as the rest of us have access. The only ones I can't say as I've paid any attention to are the ResEng's. I've met one, but didn't pay attention to his clothing.

So I really don't see where that's a concern And if a player wants to take the time to add some spice to the cavern, I see no earthly reason why they shouldn't be allowed.


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Paula465 wrote:
For the most part, the DRC personnel all have customized avatars, so it's pretty easy to spot an RPG player because they will have on the same clothing as the rest of us have access. The only ones I can't say as I've paid any attention to are the ResEng's. I've met one, but didn't pay attention to his clothing.


The ResEngs have a special hard hat with a mounted light like a mining helmet.

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All things considered, bear in mind how many fan-based storylines people have tried to promote or impose in the past.

You can always ask someone from Cyan to confirm it being any part of their planned storyline, though I'm doubtful they'd start a storyline at this point in time.

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This sounds very similar to a fan-created story-line that was started on UU.

They called themselves the "We" I think....I dunno, i can't remember. I don't remember what they looked like exactly...I just remember the inconsistancy that their skin was far too dark for people who claimed to live in caves. And they were afraid of snakes. And their eyes were an odd color, but I can't remember what color exactly.

Anyway, as far as fan IC storylines go, this one seems pretty harmless. Many IC fan storylines either burned out or faded away over time for various reasons.

Whether or not this person is a Cyanite doesn't really matter. As long as they aren't creating a nuisance of themselves, I say let them play. If the story is interesting enough, people will follow it. If it isn't, it'll fade away in time.

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Considereing the incredible power the D'ni had (aka the Art), and the fact that there are who knows how many Ages scattered throughout the Cavern, it does make sense that other groups and forces would be interested. So, whether this is "official" or not, can it really do any harm? After all, this time WE are supposed to tell the story, right? :wink:

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Just as there is more than one way to skin a cat, there is more than one way to have fun in Uru. Just because a fan makes a little story line, it doesn't mean they are "self-important". We are all contributing to the story.... little plots need not to come ~only~ from Cyan. It's been covered amply from other comments and reactions on IC things that happened just what shouldn't be done, and basically, it just not to do something that will cut into the main story. If this character can be there or not be there without changing the main story, then fine! If someone doesn't like it, then don't pay attention to it, instead of nay-saying it. If it doesn't garner any attention, it will fizzle out and die on it own, a quiet little death, and life goes on.

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While I agree that we are part of the story and I think that fan-made storylines are important, I think it's a delicate balance.

Essentially Cyan has created a world, and we as players have a place in it. We are explorers from the surface world, that is, the world that we live in as players. Characters that fall inside of those boundaries are fair game, in my option.

Good examples of this that we have seen are Dr. August and Harlan Mason, I think. Obviously player-based ideas, but they fit into the constraints of the world and the player's place in it. They make no demands on the storyline or the environment itself in order to include them.

However, I think it's important to remember that Cyan controls all of the fantastic and unreal elements of the D'ni background. To attempt to create more fantastic elements without Cyan's apporval is really to try to hijack that background.

I don't know if there is a good way to do that sort of role-playing in MO:UL, that is creating fantastic elements and integrating them into the story as a whole. Maybe there should be. There is room in the cosmology of D'ni for these sorts of things, certainly. But that is Cyan's call. It would require Cyan to take an active role in maintaining that sort of thing.

Or maybe it would just be too chaotic. I dunno.

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To me, the line is crossed when people start contradicting Cyan's storyline. This person hasn't (yet), but is a little too close for comfort.

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Actually, the very plot of the Myst saga leaves room for nearly any story. My theory for this is that, with the length of time that the D'ni existed with the knowledge of the Art, surely they must have taught others how to write (we know from the BoA that it is possible for non-D'ni to write Ages), so perhaps other races have legends about the D'ni (whether good or bad) and some curious explorers from these races would manage to find their way to the city, following these legends.

Of course, you could also say that these people are from other "instances" of various ages, which would allow for them to have fear of the D'ni or the explorers, based on events in their realities. For instance, in some Ages, the D'ni may have been tryannical, completing the GS and enslaving the surface (creating this "shiom's" caution about the revival of D'ni.)

I guess my point is that we can't assume that a IC story conflicts with the Cyan-endorsed story, because it could be said to originate in an alternate Age or Instance.

Gee, I hope that all made sense!! :wink:

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This was by far my favourite moment in the chat:

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Shiom Charkartay: I am Shiom of E'toch. A Charkartay.
(01/22 07:53:39) Shiom Charkartay bows
(01/22 07:53:39) Kedry: Who are the Charkartay? Is that in Canada?


Kedri, you crack me up!

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Actually, the very plot of the Myst saga leaves room for nearly any story. My theory for this is that, with the length of time that the D'ni existed with the knowledge of the Art, surely they must have taught others how to write (we know from the BoA that it is possible for non-D'ni to write Ages), so perhaps other races have legends about the D'ni (whether good or bad) and some curious explorers from these races would manage to find their way to the city, following these legends.

Of course, you could also say that these people are from other "instances" of various ages, which would allow for them to have fear of the D'ni or the explorers, based on events in their realities. For instance, in some Ages, the D'ni may have been tryannical, completing the GS and enslaving the surface (creating this "shiom's" caution about the revival of D'ni.)

I guess my point is that we can't assume that a IC story conflicts with the Cyan-endorsed story, because it could be said to originate in an alternate Age or Instance.

Gee, I hope that all made sense!! :wink:
It makes sense, but it still doesn't fit with the storyline. As it is, the instanced Ae'gura's are all derivatives of the public instance - the one the nexus links to - so anything that affects or happened in the public instance is also reflected in the other instances. So to start claiming that someone is from another collection of instances and found a way into ours would contradict Cyan's storyline anyway.

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