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Yes she most likely did.

Gosh you have a lot of questions. And it's awsome. You are probably the most entertaining thing around these times. Thanks! :)

oh and play the games/read the books already! I think by now you know more than I do, and you only played myst for the iphone! :lol:

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Only when, well, if she gets set free...Oops...Kind of like if you didn't help?


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Thanks, entertaining in a good or bad way??

[quote] You know even more than I do![/quote]

I'll take that as a compliment

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Good to know

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Interesting that the fissure ends at the cleft, as the cleft looks just like the fissure from above. Might there be a connection?


The changing of Catherine's name from Katran to Catherine isn't totally explained, I think it's just that Atrus called her that and it stuck.


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MegalomaniacalBahro wrote:
Interesting that the fissure ends at the cleft, as the cleft looks just like the fissure from above. Might there be a connection?

Probably, although not necessarily an in-universe one. There is the possibility that Ti'ana/Katran wrote in the fissures like that and chose to make it in a similar design to the Cleft (because they knew it would go there and wanted to note this? Because it needed to look like its destination? Who knows?). Of course, it could just be (in-universe) that they are both cracks in the ground and so are shaped somewhat similarly due to similar physical forces applied to them (and their striking similarities are just coincidental). Still, I'm pretty sure that they were purposefully designed to be so. BoA has the first description of the Cleft, and it seems to foreshadow the Fissure in some ways (isn't there one scene where the rain-filled Cleft reflects the night sky to look like a sea of stars? That description can't be accidental.).

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The changing of Catherine's name from Katran to Catherine isn't totally explained, I think it's just that Atrus called her that and it stuck.

In BoA, Atrus continually calls her Catherine, to her annoyance. It's an odd quirk of his, perhaps partially due to his language and cultural background (which would find the sounds of "Katran" to be odd, and would see "Catherine" as an obvious replacement), and his need to feel like he's in a familiar controllable situation (since he has been constantly thrust into foreign environments by his powerful and dominant father).

...or it's just the Millers retconning in the Greco-English names with the more native/islander feel of Riven (and not doing it too obviously or poorly).


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BoA has the first description of the Cleft, and it seems to foreshadow the Fissure in some ways (isn't there one scene where the rain-filled Cleft reflects the night sky to look like a sea of stars? That description can't be accidental.).

Yes, in the Book of Atrus, a thunderstorm had filled the bottom of the cleft from edge to edge. Anna took the opportunity to teach Atrus to swim. Later that night, the pool acted as a mirror, relecting the stars in sky. As they climed the ladder to look at the flowers on the surface, Atrus paused on the second top rung of the ladder and looked down..."Below him, far below, it seemed--so far that it was almost as if he had been inverted and now hung out over space--lay the star-dusted sky. For a moment the illusion was perfect, so perfect that, had he let go of the rung, he was certain that he would have fallen forever."

And, yes, it was a foreshadowing of the fissure: "Did you ever wonder what it would be like to go swimming out among the stars?" Catherine smiled then; opening the Linking Book, she placed her hand against it. "We could fall into the night and be cradled by stars and still return to the place where we began..."

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Gehn, lord of ages wrote:
In BoA, Atrus continually calls her Catherine, to her annoyance. It's an odd quirk of his, perhaps partially due to his language and cultural background (which would find the sounds of "Katran" to be odd, and would see "Catherine" as an obvious replacement), and his need to feel like he's in a familiar controllable situation (since he has been constantly thrust into foreign environments by his powerful and dominant father).

...or it's just the Millers retconning in the Greco-English names with the more native/islander feel of Riven (and not doing it too obviously or poorly).


Oh yes...it's been a long time since I read BoA. That may have arisen because, in Myst, Atrus calls her Catherine, but that was probably before they developed any of her character. In BoA, we learn she is Rivenese, therefore she needs a Rivenese name (Katran). But, because of the original Myst game, that would have to change to Catherine. Just speculation though, maybe they knew she was Rivenese from the start (an allusion to Riven is made in Myst, after all).


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MegalomaniacalBahro wrote:
Gehn, lord of ages wrote:
In BoA, Atrus continually calls her Catherine, to her annoyance. It's an odd quirk of his, perhaps partially due to his language and cultural background (which would find the sounds of "Katran" to be odd, and would see "Catherine" as an obvious replacement), and his need to feel like he's in a familiar controllable situation (since he has been constantly thrust into foreign environments by his powerful and dominant father).

...or it's just the Millers retconning in the Greco-English names with the more native/islander feel of Riven (and not doing it too obviously or poorly).


Oh yes...it's been a long time since I read BoA. That may have arisen because, in Myst, Atrus calls her Catherine, but that was probably before they developed any of her character. In BoA, we learn she is Rivenese, therefore she needs a Rivenese name (Katran). But, because of the original Myst game, that would have to change to Catherine. Just speculation though, maybe they knew she was Rivenese from the start (an allusion to Riven is made in Myst, after all).

They might have known she was going to be Rivenese (or whatever they were going to call Riven). I don't think they knew what the Rivenese would be like, though.

You can see from some early renders that Riven was originally much more in the style of Myst - somewhat Victorian/Neo-Classical/Romantic. A name like Catherine would fit well in that sort of world. They eventually ended up with a much different style - more gritty, realistic, and exotic - and giving the natives such names would make it sound ridiculous.


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Ah yes, I remember those renders. You can tell that certain stylistic elements were there (such as the pentagonal shapes, and in the second picture the door looks quite familiar)--but the look and feel was too much like myst. It also looks like that sort of style was revisited a little bit on Observation Island in riven, esp. with the elevator.

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i've been perusing the back catalog of forum topics and i have no idea if anyone is gonna see a post to a thread that was last updated in 2009...

... it is true that atrus had no way out of the room in k'veer to the rest of d'ni or k'veer for that matter; though if he had escorting the stranger to the surface would be possible, keep in mind that the journey to and from the surface seems to have been an arduous one...

... if one watches the ending of Riven closely, after linking catherine through to myst artus does so himself, but does so in the same way he did in the book of atrus, by holding the Myst book over the fissure as he links through; then the stranger falls through the fissure and returns to earth...

so the Myst book would have followed the stranger through the fissure back to earth where he could have used it to link back to myst... by that time artus and catherine would have been in the process of leaving myst for tomanah, so if artus wasn't there when the stranger arrived back in myst perhaps atrus would have left another recording for him...? or perhaps atrus escorted the stranger to the surface when they made for tomanah..? depending on if the events in the book of d'ni where atrus clears his way out of k'veer had already taken place, k'veer is the only known link atrus had to d'ni...

.... it seems to me as though the ending of Riven wouldn't have included atrus droping the Myst book back down the fissure without a reason; just before he does that and the stranger falls, atrus says "you know where to find me."


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... it is true that atrus had no way out of the room in k'veer to the rest of d'ni or k'veer for that matter; though if he had escorting the stranger to the surface would be possible, keep in mind that the journey to and from the surface seems to have been an arduous one...


The journey to surface, and vice versa, doesn't seem difficult at all, in fact, it seems rather easy. In Myst V, you take a straight path from the surface to the bottom of the great shaft (approx. 3 miles). Since the Great Shaft is a major part of the city (providing the majority of fresh air), one could imagine that'd it'd fairly accessible.

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so the Myst book would have followed the stranger through the fissure back to earth where he could have used it to link back to myst... by that time artus and catherine would have been in the process of leaving myst for tomanah, so if artus wasn't there when the stranger arrived back in myst perhaps atrus would have left another recording for him...?


Keep in mind, that when going to Tomahna, Atrus had to write an entirely new age. This is shown to be a very long process, creating a stable, habitable world, one that could easily take months on end (see: Atrus' journal in Myst III showing the process of writing Releeshahn). Unless The Stranger REALLY procrastinated, he probably would've dropped by to see Atrus.


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it seems to me as though the ending of Riven wouldn't have included atrus droping the Myst book back down the fissure without a reason; just before he does that and the stranger falls, atrus says "you know where to find me."


It makes a fair bit of sense, really. Atrus had already fallen into the Starry Fissure on Riven (see: Atrus' journal in Riven), and would already know that it leads to the Cleft. The Myst book had also fallen into this same Cleft, and so, probably landed in the area around the Cleft. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that The Stranger probably lived by the Cleft. So, really, Atrus was just dropping him by his home faster, and giving him another Myst book so he'd always be able to find him.


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i got a question.
How does one survive the land onto the surface?
maybe things just find their way into some portal that leads to just above the ground. i dont know

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i got a question.
How does one survive the land onto the surface?
maybe things just find their way into some portal that leads to just above the ground. i dont know

From the evidence of the other fissure we've seen, and common sense, I'm guessing that you might not accelerate at all in the Fissure itself (due to not having any gravity in its between-worlds state, perhaps, or at least being in between the gravities of Riven and Earth) and that the Fissure opens only a short distance from your fall from Riven (so you only accelerate a little there - a couple feet of falling) and close to the surface on Earth (like we see in Uru - only some feet up from the ground or something). The combined acceleration is still probably somewhat harsh (and the Stranger is probably a bit squishier than the Uru avatars) but nothing lethal (obviously, since the Stranger survives for later adventures - however, there is enough time between those for the Stranger to recuperate from any broken bones or other serious injuries). Even the Riven remnants showed no major breakage (aside from the tearing and warping from when the Fissure's seal was broken), and I'd assume that at least the telescope would be a bit fragile in parts (or hey, the whark - they probably have somewhat thicker bones than a human, but none of those bones got broken, right?).


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