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Tai'lahr · **Posted:** Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:33 pm

Malfhok wrote:

I don't believe that Cyan's intent is to distinguish the fan Ages from their own in a bad way. I think the main concern here is just what RAWA said: Cyan doesn't want to be liable (legally) in the case of something inappropriate being contained in one of the fan Ages.

With that in mind, would a Fan Nexus be acceptable if the DRC "warning" was more like this?

"--NOTICE-- While we are pleased to present a Nexus of Ages that have been restored by Explorers, we wish to remind you that they have not been vetted by the DRC. Enter at your own risk, and keep your Yeesha Book close at hand. - Victor Laxman"

Or some other such re-write. Something that would praise Explorers for having restored Ages and enriched our knowledge of D'ni, while still giving a characteristic DRC disclaimer.

Exactly, you can see a fan nexus as a ghetto or as a showcase; it's all a matter of perspective.

And, although it seems the argument has already been settled, I just gotta point out that it was a human that wrote Myst island - Anna aka Ti'ana.

Also, no, I don't think it matters that we know how the explorers learned to write ages; some of them have been in the cavern for several years, so they had plenty of time to figure it out.

DLordofTime · **Posted:** Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:33 pm

Some of them are avid studiers of the D'ni language, so the Gahro-hevtee aren't that big a leap.

Tweek · **Joined:** Tue May 09, 2006 12:11 am **Posts:** 2633

Lyrositor wrote:

Well I know humans can, but I thought explorers can't write links since they've never had training. How can explorers learn to Write then?

(Sliding into off-topic now... Sorry...)

Some people have been down in the Cavern for 10 years.

Many of those years with out the DRC. Who isn't to say explorers ventured out into new areas of the Cavern, discovered new things documents and notes about Age Writing perhaps or just studied Kormahn and experimented?

As for the fan nexus thing, upon a time I would have been bothered by it but I don't really care anymore. I only build of Uru CC and my new stuff has no relation to D'ni at all the only "link" is that Linking technology is involved.

DLordofTime · **Posted:** Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:26 pm

Tweek wrote:

the only "link" is that Linking technology is involved.

I see what you did there...

HarveyMidnight · **Joined:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:59 pm **Posts:** 432

Tai'lahr wrote:

Exactly, you can see a fan nexus as a ghetto or as a showcase; it's all a matter of perspective. .

Wow... here I was, trying to come up with an idea for a 'fan Nexus' that would have some character & romance to it... Didn't realize the whole idea was offensive to some people.

I personally don't see any enmity in the part of Cyan--- Cyan wouldn't deserve the blame for a problematic fan-created age, nor would Cyan deserve the CREDIT for a wonderful fan-created Age.. If they distance themselves entirely from the work of fans--make it clear it's something SEPARATE, that reduces the likelihood of either situation being an issue. Just seems like a good business viewpoint to me.

Anyway.. I am kinda proud of the idea I came up with; tho I am sure anyone who dislikes the idea of a fan-nexus would probably consider it an insult:[spoiler] I call it the 'dog-house'. Recent discovery of a new Bahro stone that leads to an 'eder tomahn'-- aka the little room in "descent" --- it's low in the shaft, labeled as an "unsafe depth". Not to mention, the DRC has closed it off with a steel door that is padlocked on the outside AND deadbolted on the inside-- even if anybody braved the climb down to the door, they couldn't get past it.. NOBODY could get in or out of this little room unless they already had a Nexus link to it. Oddly enough, there's a "Beware of the Dog" sign on the inside door; thus, the odd nickname. Of course, inside the room? Long bookshelf, filled with books...

The idea is that, storywise, there may be Ages that were written AFTER the fall of D'ni, .. these Ages have never been inspected, nor created by any known master of the Art with ties to D'ni--- There's no telling how dangerous these Ages might be. in fact, it looks like some of these Ages are written with Gehn's method, i.e. copying out whole passages from the books of existing Ages --- and we all know how safe Gehn's Ages were!

Eventually, it's revealed that DRC was in the habit of seizing any Ages that appeared to have been written by any "Non-D'ni writer", and locking them away in the dog-house.

The sudden appearance of a Bahro stone that leads to the dog-house is a mystery...tho it suggests Yeesha or the Bahro themselves feel it is time for these Ages to be discovered, despite their origins... Which is the perfect parallel to the idea of Cyan Worlds welcoming the Fan-Ages as a part of the Uru experience. [/spoiler]

Karkadann · **Posted:** Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:02 am

Suddenly the fan nexus sounds even better, Harvey's idea sound great. Although I never could figure out why it offended some people. I like the idea of the fan ages being separate why should Cyan take the credit or the blame for the fan made ages.

As someone who has created both Ages and Relto Pages I was more confused by others being offended at an opportunity to add fan made ages. Its what Uru Live has needed for years "new content" and here we have a chance to add some "new content" Why are we shooting it down.

I think the only one who should be offended is the one who came up with the idea for a fan nexus.

you can please all of the people some of the time
and you can please some of the people all of the time
but you can not please all of the people all of the time

and once again we wait for a reply from Cyan, even some legal mumbo jumbo as to why, why not, when and how much that no one understand would be nice at this point.

I think some people are just taking this whole thing way to personally,

JWPlatt · **Posted:** Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:32 am

Karkadann wrote:

...and once again we wait for a reply from Cyan...

I am wondering what word you need from Cyan to work on this? What I think they need is to see something working that they would like to put in MOULa. Please don't wait for them. But it will take some time for rarified and interested community members to work out a process to get showcase ages onto Minkata - the Nexus or whatever interests folks.

Until there's something to test, I recommend looking at what might already be available on the Guild of Writers' Gehn shard. Anyone interesting in learning how to build content should also visit their website.

Youou · **Joined:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:34 am **Posts:** 4

HarveyMidnight wrote:

I call it the 'dog-house'. Recent discovery of a new Bahro stone that leads to an 'eder tomahn'-- aka the little room in "descent" --- it's low in the shaft, labeled as an "unsafe depth". Not to mention, the DRC has closed it off with a steel door that is padlocked on the outside AND deadbolted on the inside-- even if anybody braved the climb down to the door, they couldn't get past it.. NOBODY could get in or out of this little room unless they already had a Nexus link to it. Oddly enough, there's a "Beware of the Dog" sign on the inside door; thus, the odd nickname. Of course, inside the room? Long bookshelf, filled with books...

The idea is that, storywise, there may be Ages that were written AFTER the fall of D'ni, .. these Ages have never been inspected, nor created by any known master of the Art with ties to D'ni--- There's no telling how dangerous these Ages might be. in fact, it looks like some of these Ages are written with Gehn's method, i.e. copying out whole passages from the books of existing Ages --- and we all know how safe Gehn's Ages were!

Eventually, it's revealed that DRC was in the habit of seizing any Ages that appeared to have been written by any "Non-D'ni writer", and locking them away in the dog-house.

The sudden appearance of a Bahro stone that leads to the dog-house is a mystery...tho it suggests Yeesha or the Bahro themselves feel it is time for these Ages to be discovered, despite their origins... Which is the perfect parallel to the idea of Cyan Worlds welcoming the Fan-Ages as a part of the Uru experience.

Man that's good. New to the topic. How would one Take offence to that? And No game developer can control the fan made content. Just look at half the mods for Oblivion.

They just need to make a disclaimer telling that they have no control over the content, and that if something offensive or pornographic is found in an age to report it and it can be taken care of. And if this is going to be content added by lets say OpenUru. Then there is not need to fret. I Don't think they will release something offensive to people.

But at this Point the game dose need more content. And I don't care if its Fan made or not. Let me ask you this whats End game looking like for Uru? Nothing but ages that you have done once. How meany times can you do the same ages over before it gets to boring?

Lyrositor · **Joined:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:14 pm **Posts:** 808

But there already is new content. Uru Live has received new content recently - just not MO:ULa (and you could also count all the content created for Until Uru). So it's not as if this is an all-new concept that will suddenly revitalize MO:UL.

And in any case, the currently available number of Ages for MO:UL is rather small (right now, I can think of only two).

cpt-jericho · **Joined:** Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:36 am **Posts:** 319

Youou wrote:

Man that's good. New to the topic. How would one Take offence to that? And No game developer can control the fan made content. Just look at half the mods for Oblivion.

Only half? :lol:

Anyway, that "Dog House" (or whatever that place might be called) is not what came into my mind when I read "Fan Nexus". It meant to me that there was a facsimile created that looked more or less identical to the original Nexus. But just to put the fan ages in there. I don't like the idea from the view of an Explorer - I can imagine that a Writer likes it even less.

B'ni Rabbit. · **Posted:** Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:09 pm

Do we really need anything more than a heading in the original Nexus listing all the fan Ages available?

I have seen other Fan Nexuses and can understand other people's reluctance to use them.

I guess a better question would be when are we are going to see fan Ages?

Tai'lahr · **Posted:** Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:14 pm

HarveyMidnight wrote:

I personally don't see any enmity in the part of Cyan--- Cyan wouldn't deserve the blame for a problematic fan-created age, nor would Cyan deserve the CREDIT for a wonderful fan-created Age.. Just seems like a good business viewpoint to me.

Exactly!

That's a nice story you've written, Harvey, and that's what I think we need most - a good story to explain how these new books came to be in the cavern. There's just one problem with yours - it only works if the age creators are willing to be anonymous and pretend that the books were written by someone else. Because if they had been written by explorers, most of them would have been written after the DRC left the cavern. And, personally, I would like to see that the people who worked so hard on these creations receive proper acknowledgement. Perhaps it could be altered so that it was the writers themselves who had hidden the books?

Still, once the books are collected by a player, a link has to appear somewhere - either a book on their Relto shelf (which has limited space) or a link in the nexus.

Btw, your story reminded me of the theory that explorers are descendants of the D'ni and that's why they felt called to the cavern. So, perhaps the D'ni talent for writing has trickled down to them.

B'ni Rabbit. wrote:

I guess a better question would be when are we are going to see fan Ages?

You can see some now on the Gehn shard and other shards, but if you mean in MOULa, that all depends on the community members who are capable of working out the technical aspects of the process, but first a process needs to be determined and someone who's written an age needs to come forward and submit it to OpenUru for testing on the Minkata shard.

Drathen · **Joined:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:28 pm **Posts:** 19

Well, i'm new to the multiplayer Uru, although ive played back half a decade ago in singleplayer, so i don't know if that qualifies me to give my opinion... but yeah. My thought is that a Fan Nexus alone doesn't have much story in itself, and it feels like a quick job poorly done just to get rid of it. The idea of the sealed eder tomahn on the other side, makes much more sense and integrates much more the story than a plain Fan Nexus just put there and say ''D'ni magic, it appeared!''. Maybe a short note on a table telling like: ''DRC notice; This room must be sealed from explorers, some of those ages are too dangerous, and the DRC doesn't want to get involved with this. etc etc'', just to kind of give it a short story.

So yeah...my 2 cents ._.

Ahlisendar · **Posted:** Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:39 pm

Drathen wrote:

Well, i'm new to the multiplayer Uru, although ive played back half a decade ago in singleplayer, so i don't know if that qualifies me to give my opinion... but yeah. My thought is that a Fan Nexus alone doesn't have much story in itself, and it feels like a quick job poorly done just to get rid of it. The idea of the sealed eder tomahn on the other side, makes much more sense and integrates much more the story than a plain Fan Nexus just put there and say ''D'ni magic, it appeared!''. Maybe a short note on a table telling like: ''DRC notice; This room must be sealed from explorers, some of those ages are too dangerous, and the DRC doesn't want to get involved with this. etc etc'', just to kind of give it a short story.

So yeah...my 2 cents ._.

Agreed

Karkadann · **Posted:** Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:21 pm

I can see one option being the Dog House, So instead of waiting for "a go ahead" from Cyan Does any one care to start working out some concept art for the Dog House and maybe some of the Age Creators can get started producing something for the Coders and the Python people work with?

and then perhaps we can get started on a few other ideas and present them all to Cyan some where down the line with the Dog House, after their tested and get all the bugs out or should we decide on one and present it to Cyan

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