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 Post subject: D'ni Sudoku
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OK. It's a 5x5 grid, of 5x5 grids, and each cell contains a D'ni number.

Step 1 is to identify all the numbers I guess?

Hey, is this paint by numbers? :twisted:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:55 am 
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D'ni sudoku? Well this is certainly interesting.

Why are your numbers' two parts in an exclusive OR relationship? I don't think that's how that works. :)

btw, the title roughly translates to "Do you know the [her]s?" Whatever the last word means, my D'ni dictionary didn't have it. Probably means "know your D'ni numbers" or something.

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[Reveal] Spoiler: Translation into base 10
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[ 0, 18,  5,  0, 24,     0,  0,  4,  9, 19,     2,  0,  0,  0, 17,     3,  7,  1,  0,  0,    20,  0, 16, 23,  0],
[ 0,  9, 13,  0,  0,    23,  8,  0,  3,  0,     5,  0, 11,  0, 21,     0, 16,  0,  4, 19,     0,  0,  6, 22,  0],
[ 0,  0,  0, 22,  0,     5,  0,  0,  0,  0,     0, 16,  0, 13,  0,     0,  0,  0,  0, 10,     0, 15,  0,  0,  0],
[20,  3,  0,  0,  7,     0,  0, 14,  0, 24,     9, 10,  0, 19, 15,    17,  0, 25,  0,  0,     8,  0,  0, 21, 13],
[ 0, 11, 19,  0, 23,    17, 18,  0, 10, 15,     0, 20, 12, 14,  0,     2, 24,  0, 13,  8,    25,  0,  9,  3,  0],

[ 0,  5,  0, 15,  0,     0,  0,  1, 21, 11,     0,  0, 16,  0,  0,     7,  6, 14,  0,  0,     0, 18,  0, 25,  0],
[18, 16,  0,  7,  2,    19,  0, 13,  0,  0,     0,  0, 10,  0,  0,     0,  0, 17,  0, 23,     5, 21,  0, 15, 22],
[19,  0, 14,  0,  6,     0, 15,  7,  0,  5,     1, 17,  0, 21,  9,    24,  0, 13,  2,  0,     4,  0, 20,  0,  3],
[10,  0,  0, 17,  0,    25,  0,  0, 23,  0,    13,  0,  0,  0,  4,     0, 15,  0,  0, 16,     0,  7,  0,  0,  9],
[ 0,  0, 24,  0,  0,     4,  2, 18, 17,  0,     0,  0,  0,  0,  0,     0, 21, 12, 22, 25,     0,  0, 10,  0,  0],

[ 0,  0, 17,  0,  0,     0, 19,  0,  0,  0,    20,  0,  0,  0,  7,     0,  0,  0, 10,  0,     0,  0, 23,  0,  0],
[ 0,  0,  8,  3, 10,     9, 20,  0,  0, 23,    18,  0,  0,  0, 22,     4,  0,  0, 15,  1,    13, 16,  7,  0,  0],
[ 0, 23,  0, 16,  0,     0,  7,  0,  5,  0,     0,  4,  0, 10,  0,     0,  9,  0, 20,  0,     0,  2,  0, 14,  0],
[ 0,  0, 15,  4, 21,     2, 25,  0,  0, 18,    14,  0,  0,  0, 12,    13,  0,  0, 11,  5,     6, 22,  8,  0,  0],
[ 0,  0, 20,  0,  0,     0, 22,  0,  0,  0,     8,  0,  0,  0,  6,     0,  0,  0, 24,  0,     0,  0,  5,  0,  0],

[ 0,  0, 11,  0,  0,    22,  5, 20, 25,  0,     0,  0,  0,  0,  0,     0, 19, 15,  6, 17,     0,  0, 24,  0,  0],
[ 2,  0,  0, 14,  0,    21,  0,  0, 18,  0,    25,  0,  0,  0, 19,     0, 20,  0,  0, 12,     0,  6,  0,  0,  1],
[ 3,  0, 12,  0, 15,     0,  9, 11,  0, 13,     6, 24,  0, 18, 23,    14,  0,  2, 16,  0,    10,  0, 17,  0,  8],
[13,  6,  0, 21, 20,     8,  0, 19,  0,  0,     0,  0, 22,  0,  0,     0,  0,  4,  0, 24,    18, 11,  0,  7,  5],
[ 0,  4,  0,  1,  0,     0,  0, 23, 15, 16,     0,  0,  5,  0,  0,     8,  3,  7,  0,  0,     0, 25,  0,  2,  0],

[ 0, 15, 10,  0, 16,    24, 13,  0, 12, 20,     0,  6, 19,  1,  0,    21,  2,  0, 17, 11,    23,  0, 25,  5,  0],
[11, 21,  0,  0,  9,     0,  0,  3,  0, 17,    15,  5,  0, 12, 25,    16,  0, 10,  0,  0,     7,  0,  0, 13,  6],
[ 0,  0,  0, 23,  0,    14,  0,  0,  0,  0,     0,  3,  0,  4,  0,     0,  0,  0,  0, 15,     0,  8,  0,  0,  0],
[ 0,  7,  1,  0,  0,    10, 11,  0, 19,  0,    24,  0,  2,  0, 18,     0, 13,  0,  3, 22,     0,  0,  4,  9,  0],
[ 0, 24, 18,  0,  3,     0,  0, 21,  4,  8,    16,  0,  0,  0, 11,    12,  1,  5,  0,  0,    17,  0,  2, 19,  0]
]

0 means empty.
This can be used as a two-dimensional array in your favorite programming language.

PPS:
Of course I made a few transcription errors, which are now fixed. This only includes the ones breaking the sudoku, i. e. number occurs more than once per row/column/block. In case you have already used the transcription above, you need to get this updated version.

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dgelessus wrote:
Why are your numbers' two parts in an exclusive OR relationship? I don't think that's how that works. :)


Took me a moment or two to figure out what the heck that meant! That's a great way to describe what happened...I'm actually using the D'ni Web Font I converted a while back (http://uru.orangehairedboy.com/font/) for that...and that picture is actually a screenshot from Chrome. So, either something is wrong with the original font or something went wrong when it was converted to a woff, I'm not sure.

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Yep, your web font does that in Firefox for me as well. The ttf version of Dnifont looks right for me though, so something probably happened during woff conversion. Maybe XOR strokes are actually a feature.

I assure you, it is a feature! Even the Ronay used to do that, but at some point they became too lazy, so they started to use continuous lines. What a huge cultural loss.

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Many glyphs in either the Dnifont or the D’ni Script font (can’t remember which, possibly both) are made of overlapping parts not properly oriented, or something like that. I think the LM version doesn’t have this problem.
I use a modified version with precomposed numbers and digits ordered in the same sequence as Cyan’s Dnifont.

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Heh, I'm too lazy, I'm writing a Python script to do the work for me!

Kath, any idea what the D'ni word "her" stands for?

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Maybe it’s a misspelling of hev, “word”?

Also, tahgahm mean “I know”; “you (plur.) know” is tahgahmtee.

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According to this site "she[h]m" stands for singular "you"...

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OHBoy OHB is at it again, I think I'm going to 'stand back' this time as Suduki is not really my thing. Nice work making this OHB.

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dgelessus wrote:
Kath, any idea what the D'ni word "her" stands for?


?tagam shem r'hertee = Do you know the numbers? (Although some from the GoL is free to correct me but I think it's right. :))

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Nice job! Your own Python program at work there? If so, want to put it to the test? :)

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[[20,8,12,0,0,0,3,15,5,0,22,0,10,0,4,0,24,6,21,0,0,0,23,13,25],[0,13,22,14,0,0,24,0,0,4,7,17,0,1,23,10,0,0,3,0,0,16,2,9,0],[18,0,0,16,0,0,0,2,11,17,25,8,0,5,6,1,19,12,0,0,0,21,0,0,4],[0,11,0,0,4,0,1,12,0,0,0,24,15,14,0,0,0,23,25,0,10,0,0,5,0],[0,9,0,3,25,0,13,0,20,23,0,0,0,0,0,4,5,0,7,0,8,15,0,19,0],[0,0,4,5,6,0,19,21,0,10,13,0,11,0,18,15,0,24,12,0,9,23,7,0,0],[0,20,0,12,0,15,0,6,8,0,0,14,22,2,0,0,4,17,0,16,0,25,0,21,0],[14,0,0,0,11,0,0,0,0,0,4,6,0,23,20,0,0,0,0,0,24,0,0,0,16],[0,0,0,0,0,22,16,13,0,0,12,3,0,15,9,0,0,20,18,11,0,0,0,0,0],[0,0,0,0,3,0,0,11,23,0,0,0,17,0,0,0,9,13,0,0,5,0,0,0,0],[0,12,0,4,0,11,18,0,0,20,0,0,0,0,0,17,0,0,24,1,0,19,0,6,0],[0,7,14,11,0,24,0,0,6,15,8,18,19,12,21,25,23,0,0,13,0,2,16,10,0],[6,1,0,24,20,0,0,23,17,9,2,0,0,0,25,11,15,14,0,0,4,7,0,12,3],[0,25,21,23,0,12,0,0,4,22,17,15,1,3,24,6,8,0,0,5,0,13,11,14,0],[0,2,0,8,0,21,7,0,0,13,0,0,0,0,0,12,0,0,16,9,0,24,0,17,0],[0,0,0,0,8,0,0,19,16,0,0,0,7,0,0,0,12,21,0,0,6,0,0,0,0],[0,0,0,0,0,25,11,24,0,0,18,9,0,19,1,0,0,22,2,6,0,0,0,0,0],[19,0,0,0,13,0,0,0,0,0,21,5,0,4,2,0,0,0,0,0,25,0,0,0,12],[0,6,0,21,0,5,0,20,12,0,0,13,25,8,0,0,1,3,0,19,0,22,0,7,0],[0,0,11,22,14,0,21,9,0,3,15,0,12,0,17,13,0,10,5,0,2,18,8,0,0],[0,23,0,18,17,0,20,0,14,21,0,0,0,0,0,24,10,0,6,0,16,8,0,11,0],[0,24,0,0,12,0,22,18,0,0,0,25,23,13,0,0,0,1,4,0,3,0,0,2,0],[4,0,0,19,0,0,0,8,15,25,14,7,0,17,11,2,16,5,0,0,0,6,0,0,21],[0,3,8,7,0,0,17,0,0,11,19,4,0,22,5,20,0,0,15,0,0,1,9,25,0],[22,14,1,0,0,0,6,7,24,0,3,0,16,0,8,0,17,9,11,0,0,0,12,15,10]]

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:43 pm 
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OHB wrote:
?tagam shem r'hertee = Do you know the numbers?

Nope.

tahgahm = I know —> tahgahmtee = you (plur.) know
shem = you (singular) —> shemtee = you (plur.) (redundant, implicit in tahgahmtee)
r’ = the
her = ??? (no word for “number” is attested)
tee = (plural)

As the Orz sample attests, there is no particular interrogative form. Thus:

?tahgahmtee re[number]tee

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