Eder Tsogal Stained Glass Project

Maratanos · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:19 pm

The Noble Robot wrote:

Here's mine. A work in progress...

The white portions are meant to be transparent, and the blue portions are meant to be semi-transparent, but alas, this chaepo image hosting site iI used doesn't support transparency (and my website's FTP is down, just my luck).

This one has a little hidden meaning to it, which is not hard to pick up on once you've visited the age.

Maybe I can get feedback on my execution of that concept...

Dude: get Photobucket. It's free, and it doesn't try to set half a dozen cookies on your browser every time an image hosted there is viewed... :evil:

lego_addict · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:22 pm

Nice design Earthwiz!

The one thing that I think CYAN would not appreciate is having (c) Earthwizard on it. IIRC, apon submitting it, it becomes property of Cyan.

earthwizard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:25 pm

lego_addict wrote:

Nice design Earthwiz!

The one thing that I think CYAN would not appreciate is having (c) Earthwizard on it. IIRC, apon submitting it, it becomes property of Cyan.

Well, they didn't say anything, so i don't guess at what they might think. If they would be more specific in their wording then yes I'd be glad to comply, but until then it is my own image afterall....

And it is the DRC Council, not Cyan that set the guidelines....

Their guidelines only state...

Please use the following guidelines:

Image Size - 1024 by 1024, 72 DPI
Include your Explorer Name

P.S. - Even if Cyan is the big boy in the background of it all... :roll:

Maratanos · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:27 pm

earthwizard wrote:

lego_addict wrote:

Nice design Earthwiz!

The one thing that I think CYAN would not appreciate is having (c) Earthwizard on it. IIRC, apon submitting it, it becomes property of Cyan.

Well, they didn't say anything, so i don't guess at what they might think. If they would be more specific in their wording then yes I'd be glad to comply, but until then it is my own image afterall....

No, their legal policy is that if they use your submission, they gain all rights to it.

In other words, even though you created it, if it wins, it won't be yours anymore.

earthwizard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:31 pm

Maratanos wrote:

earthwizard wrote:

lego_addict wrote:

Nice design Earthwiz!

The one thing that I think CYAN would not appreciate is having (c) Earthwizard on it. IIRC, apon submitting it, it becomes property of Cyan.

Well, they didn't say anything, so i don't guess at what they might think. If they would be more specific in their wording then yes I'd be glad to comply, but until then it is my own image afterall....

No, their legal policy is that if they use your submission, they gain all rights to it.

In other words, even though you created it, if it wins, it won't be yours anymore.

Yes, this may all be true, but until they explicitly state it in the guidelines I wll follow what I always have... maybe, you have more knowledge than I, but I can only go by what my eyes see... :wink:

And, yes, if they ask me to do this as a prerequisite I'll gladly comply... :lol:

Geert · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:34 pm

Maratanos wrote:

In other words, even though you created it, if it wins, it won't be yours anymore.

Aren't we supposed to restore something :lol:

ie it is or was property of the D'ni in the first place. :wink:

Maratanos · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:34 pm

earthwizard wrote:

Maratanos wrote:

earthwizard wrote:

lego_addict wrote:

Nice design Earthwiz!

The one thing that I think CYAN would not appreciate is having (c) Earthwizard on it. IIRC, apon submitting it, it becomes property of Cyan.

Well, they didn't say anything, so i don't guess at what they might think. If they would be more specific in their wording then yes I'd be glad to comply, but until then it is my own image afterall....

No, their legal policy is that if they use your submission, they gain all rights to it.

In other words, even though you created it, if it wins, it won't be yours anymore.

Yes, this may all be true, but until they explicitly state it in the guidelines I wll follow what I always have... maybe, you have more knowledge than I, but I can only go by what my eyes see... :wink:

And, yes, if they ask me to do this as a prerequisite I'll gladly comply... :lol:

It's not their job to inform you about their legal policy. It's yours to find out. :wink:

If you are uncertain, contact [email protected]

Tiran · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:37 pm

Maratanos wrote:

In other words, even though you created it, if it wins, it won't be yours anymore.

Now we have a problem. In USA it's possible and common to sign over the rights in intellectual property. In Europe - especially Germany - it is NOT possible. There is no way I can sign over my intellectual property to Cyan even if I *want* to do it. A paragraph in a contract stating a sign over can render the complete contract illegal and void.

earthwizard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:38 pm

Ok... I give :lol:

you win... let's have fun and i'll get rid of the little name... and copyright...

Peace be to ye brothers and sisters ...

oh... where' the peace sign? :wink:

earthwiz runs off stage to destroy sig and send final copy ... :roll:

------ earthwiz renenters stage right, arms flapping akimbo, yelling: "It's a done deal... pesky sig obliterated... copy gone.. all happy in the stands"... :lol:

New updated link: click here.

astro · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:38 pm

Whatever - that's just one competitor less for the rest of us ;-)

Edit: Oh man you dumped it

Nadnerb · **Joined:** Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:02 am **Posts:** 590

@The Noble Robot

Very nice work there. I like the textures and style, and I see the [spoiler]shape of the age in it. [/spoiler]

one thing, what is the blue stuff surrounding the edge? I take it this thing will have an irregular shape, with a hole in the middle.

oh, and don't worry about the 24-bit transparency showing up on the site.. it's not really going to be noticeable. I'm sure cyan will appreciate it in the full image though.

lego_addict · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:04 pm

Tiran wrote:

Maratanos wrote:

In other words, even though you created it, if it wins, it won't be yours anymore.

Now we have a problem. In USA it's possible and common to sign over the rights in intellectual property. In Europe - especially Germany - it is NOT possible. There is no way I can sign over my intellectual property to Cyan even if I *want* to do it. A paragraph in a contract stating a sign over can render the complete contract illegal and void.

Maybe there's some kind of unlimited license. Why would you not be able to sign it over?

You aren't signing a contract, so that might be something, but then maybe it could be a Memorandum of Understanding, which is not legally binding but basically you affirming you won't act like you have rights to the image.

Gadren · **Joined:** Tue May 09, 2006 12:35 am **Posts:** 747

Earthwizard, before you submit it, I need to tell you that you didn't fix the D'ni text correctly. You ended up writing [e][dh][e][r][th][s][o][g][ah][l]. It needs to be [e][d][e][r] [ts][o][g][ah][l].

To write this in the D'ni font, copy the following line directly into D'ni font:

eDer xogal

Tiran · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:14 pm

lego_addict wrote:

Maybe there's some kind of unlimited license. Why would you not be able to sign it over?

You aren't signing a contract, so that might be something, but then maybe it could be a Memorandum of Understanding, which is not legally binding but basically you affirming you won't act like you have rights to the image.

I can give Cyan an unlimited license to use my work in all their products but I cannot sign over my intellectual property to Cyan. It's still my own work but they can use it for free.

Signing over the IP means that the new owner of the IP have all rights and I'm not allowed to use my work in any way. For example I wouldn't be allowed to wear a T-Shirt with a printout of my image or I wouldn't be allowed to put the image on my homepage without getting explicit authorization from the new owner of the IP.

If I give an unlimited license to Cyan they can use the image for everything but I can still use the image, too. I would be allowed to sell it or upload it or give it to other people.

Maratanos · **Posted:** Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:19 pm

Well, I don't quite understand how it works, but there's obviously SOME provision that allows them to say the following (copied from the TOS):

Quote:

Creative Submissions/Communications. Licensors do not accept or
consider creative ideas, suggestions or materials other than
those Licensors have specifically requested via the Game or
otherwise. This is to avoid the possibility of future
misunderstandings when projects independently developed by
Licensors or their agents might seem to others to be similar to
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