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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:48 am 
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A few days ago I wrote RAWA an e-mail. Here's part of it:

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The events of the Uru "Season Finale" answer most of the remaining questions about the Bahro War. But people talk about the "Good Bahro" and the "Bad/Evil Bahro", and that's not quite right. The "adversarial" Bahro are angry because of their 9600+ year enslavement, and are becoming violent to seek revenge---they're not "evil", just angry.

Anyway, I was wondering if you could give us the D'ni word(s) for "vengeful", "angry", or "violent"? I'd like to start referring to the 2 groups as the "Bahro Shoraht" & the "Bahro [Vengeful]", and maybe even find an appropriate D'ni term/name for their Leader that Yeesha spoke of (by adding "-th" to one of the words, perhaps?).
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He responded by telling me what Dr. Watson heard Yeesha refer to them as while he was away from the Cavern :D

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"nekisahl"

Transliteration: bah’ro ne-kis-ahl--the Bent Bahro
D'nifont: neKisal
Definition: adjective meaning "bent, twisted, or distorted"

"nekisahloth"

Transliteration: ne-kis-ahl-oth
D'nifont: neKisaloT
Definition: noun meaning "one who is bent, twisted, or distorted"
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First off, yay for new D'ni words! :D

Second, as I said in my e-mail, calling them the "Evil Bahro" is a bit inaccurate & judgemental. So from here on out, I intend to refer to the 2 groups of Bahro by these D'ni terms:

"Bahro Shoraht"--"Peaceful Bahro"
"Bahro Nekisahl"--"Twisted Bahro"

And I think that "Nekisahloth" sounds like a good name for the leader of the violent Bahro that Yeesha spoke of. Join me in spreading the use of these terms :)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:57 am 
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Awesome! I'll spread the word on UO! ^_^


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that makes what, 5 new D'ni words in the last month? Such largesse! We might get spoiled! ;)

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What were the other words, Eleri?

And does that mean that nekis means the verb "bend, twist, or distort"?


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Awesome!

/me wonders what "nekid" might mean. ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:24 am 
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K'laamas wrote:
And I think that "Nekisahloth" sounds like a good name for the leader of the violent Bahro that Yeesha spoke of. Join me in spreading the use of these terms :)

Hmm, I think that would undercut the new words. Nekisahloth is a way to describe individual Bahro that are nekisahl. If you transform it from a generic noun into a proper "name", so to speak, it will cause confusion. If a Bahro appears, we could ask, Was that (a) nekisahloth? The confusion would be over whether the question addressed the presence of a bent bahro v. the leader of the bent bahros.


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Could you perhaps modify it as "Great Bent One"? That way, the lesser ones are just known as a side fitting a description, while the leader is obviously more so than the others.

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Gadren:

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JD Barnes was talking Linguistics last night, and he had new D'ni words!

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J.D. Barnes: D'ni seems to have had little borrowing of terms from other languages, as for as I can tell.

bluewyvern: makes sense

J.D. Barnes: They seem to be built from smaller words.

Skotte: Which is surprising, considering how many cultures they must have touched through all their linking books

Yob Deriah E'Gnaro: could the lack of obvious borrowing from other languages be due to the language being so old and changing over time so that the original foreign root was lost?

J.D. Barnes: Yob, I think that is part of it. But, I suspect the infamous D'ni xenophobia helped. They didn't seem to borrow many words from natives in the Ages they explored, Except in reference to flora and fauna.

Yob Deriah E'Gnaro: ok, good point

bluewyvern: And they imposed their languages on the ahrotantee, so they probably didn't even hear the foreign languages much

J.D. Barnes: So, take this word: dayjee fahlah'ahl...

Moiety Jean: Reminds me of a Christmas carol...

Eleri: is that one word, or two?

bluewyvern: "fah" is "one" or "first"...and that's where my comprehension ends...

J.D. Barnes: It's a descriptive phrase, like English 'remote control'. It's two words, but a single unit

Yob Deriah E'Gnaro: compund noun

J.D. Barnes: precisely. Compound nouns abound in D 'ni Here, dayjee is a D'ni word for 'path'. And 'fahlah' is best translated as a verb meaning 'to fold'. So dayjee fahlah'ahl means 'folded path'

Eleri: two whole new D'ni words!

Kelsa: i thought fah meant first, or one

bluewyvern: What's the "ahl" part?

J.D. Barnes: We'd probably use the word 'labyrinth' to translate it.

Eleri: Yer kidding me? Really?!?!

Skotte: Ooooooh, neat!

Moiety Jean: Oh, that's fascinating

Skotte: neat!

bluewyvern: (and is "fahlah" itself a compound?

J.D. Barnes: It is difficult to kid about linguistics - it's a dry subject.

Yob Deriah E'Gnaro: is 'ahl the part of speech indicator? (i.e. in english the -ed)

J.D. Barnes: fahlah seems to be a unit as far as I can tell.

Inanna: this is not a dry bevin

Moiety Jean: Wherever you are able to explore to find new information like this.. I'm envious!

J.D. Barnes: Yob, similar, yes.

bluewyvern: linguistics is fascinating

Ignorance Is Bliss: so what would the plural of folded path?

J.D. Barnes: dayjeetee fahlah'ahl

bluewyvern: and the "ahl" part? what does that mean?

J.D. Barnes: But my point is that it semes to me taht there are more turns like dayjee fahlah'ahl in D'ni than barrowed words like 'labyrinth'.

Later he said that "ahl" was like the "-ed" ending.

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Zardoz wrote:
K'laamas wrote:
And I think that "Nekisahloth" sounds like a good name for the leader of the violent Bahro that Yeesha spoke of. Join me in spreading the use of these terms :)

Hmm, I think that would undercut the new words. Nekisahloth is a way to describe individual Bahro that are nekisahl. If you transform it from a generic noun into a proper "name", so to speak, it will cause confusion. If a Bahro appears, we could ask, Was that (a) nekisahloth? The confusion would be over whether the question addressed the presence of a bent bahro v. the leader of the bent bahros.

"Kerath" literally means "brave one" and is a way to describe an individual who is brave. It was also used as a proper name. I see no problem with K'laamas's proposal.

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BrettM wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
K'laamas wrote:
And I think that "Nekisahloth" sounds like a good name for the leader of the violent Bahro that Yeesha spoke of. Join me in spreading the use of these terms :)

Hmm, I think that would undercut the new words. Nekisahloth is a way to describe individual Bahro that are nekisahl. If you transform it from a generic noun into a proper "name", so to speak, it will cause confusion. If a Bahro appears, we could ask, Was that (a) nekisahloth? The confusion would be over whether the question addressed the presence of a bent bahro v. the leader of the bent bahros.

"Kerath" literally means "brave one" and is a way to describe an individual who is brave. It was also used as a proper name. I see no problem with K'laamas's proposal.

If you have a whole society of different people, it's not odd to call someone the Brave. That happens in our history as well. But what if there was a big group of brave people and one of them was their leader? Then you aren't calling the leader Kerath, because they are all Kerath.
I also think calling the leader "twisted" is not a good idea, as they are all twisted. I like JohnSmythe's suggestion.


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What an excellent thread (shame it's tucked away in this forum where noone will see it lol).

I shall endeavour to call them that when I'm greeting and to pass it on :)

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The inevitable quibble...hehe... :mrgreen:

I'm all for simplicity and clearness... so "Nekisahloth" sounds
like a proper extension of the "Bahro Nekisahl"... They're all the same,
the leader is one of them, he's just taken the whole or at least more
responsibility for their campaign of destruction... IMO... I feel ok with that term...

Thank you K'laamas and RAWA :D

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Wait, we got five words?

day'jee
fahlah'ahl
nekisahl

What were the other two? Or is that just accidental misremembering?

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dayjee- path
fahlah- to fold
dayjee fahlah'ahl- "folded path"- labyrinth

add that to nekisahl, and nekisahloth, that makes 5.

Technically, it's 3 words, and 2 derivatives.

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Eleri wrote:
dayjee- path
fahlah- to fold
dayjee fahlah'ahl- "folded path"- labyrinth

add that to nekisahl, and nekisahloth, that makes 5.

Technically, it's 3 words, and 2 derivatives.


OK, thanks! :)
I had read an old thread where you said something about the D'ni word for feline, but since it wasn't mentioned, I wasn't sure if you were being serious or not.


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