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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:55 pm 
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What is the name of a creature similar to an ostrich appeared in Payiferen?
I have heard that the name of this creature is "Sandscript". :?
However, it is said that this is "Payiferen Urwin". :shock:
Which is the correct name?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:56 pm 
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According to the D'ni Zoological Society, "The Sandscrit is a huge, flightless bird native to Payiferen. Due to various similar features (head crests, large bill), it is believed to be related to the Urwin" (native to Negliahn).

Negilahn was released first and the Urwin identified there before Payiferen was released. Perhaps before the Sandscrit in Payiferen was identified as a separate species, some people referred to it as a "Payiferen Urwin."

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Ahhhh!! Tai'lahr!!!!!

Sorry for late reply!! :oops: :oops: :oops:
And thank you for telling me that. :D :D :D

SANDSCRIT!!

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It's official name is "urwin", just like the one in Negilahn. That name comes from the pre-production art. In the Cavern Tours, we call it a Payiferen urwin to differentiate it from the Negilahn urwin. Sandscrit, as far as I know, is a nickname that was given to it by explorers or perhaps by the D'ni Zoological Society; they sometimes gave names to plants or animals when they couldn't find references.

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Sandscrit (Sands Critter) comes from the texture file name iirc, or the model name I forget which one it was.

A lot of the time when names couldn't be found the Zoological Society would look at the filenames for the meshes and textures to see if a name had already been applied.


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That's what I do, too. I don't recall seeing that name on any textures, but I'll look again just to be certain.

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It might have been on the object itself, I don't recall off the top of my head it's been a while since I dug into the game files.

[edit] Yeah both the mesh/object and the texture for it says sandscrit.


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Yeah, the Sandscrit in Payiferen is its name in the actual files, whereas in its wiring (IE the Python and SDL files) its called an Urwin. Likely since the same person wrote both scripts.

Since its obviously not the same creature in anyway, it should be called by Sandscrit, while the Urwin remains the Urwin.

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Saying it's not the same creature isn't exactly right. They are both urwins, but of different families. It's like sperm whales and blue whales, which have different mouths, head shapes and colorations, but are both still whales.

That said, I see your point about using the names to keep them separate, and we have always told our guests both names in the tour lecture about Payiferen.

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Maybe calling it Kirin Urwin or Urwin Kirin instead would work.

Or would that be Kirin'Urwin.. I never did get my head around the linguistic side of D'ni.


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Urvinus negilanensis & Urvinus peiiferenensis :?:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:31 am 
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Although I favor the D'ni names over our human naming style I don't dislike your suggestion there :)


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korovev wrote:
Urvinus negilanensis & Urvinus peiiferenensis :?:

Rather unscientific approach if you ask me. Just because both are pretty big bird-like creatures does not mean that they're really the same species of some sort. Emus and Oostriches have more in common than the animals we call Urwin and Sandscrit.

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Just don't call for a popular vote on the name, or they will all end up as Urwin McUrwinface...

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It is interesting that, if sandscrit does in fact derive from sands + critter, then we have words in D'ni for both components of the name. Not only do we have kirin = 'desert sand', but also boogin = 'creature', which is just the standard English word for the colloquial variant 'critter'.

A derivation closely parallel to the invented English name might produce something like kirinboog.

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