918.OpenUru-139 - copyrighted material?

TheScar(.fr) · **Joined:** Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:38 pm **Posts:** 317

Hello.
I just read the "ReleasedNotes of "918.OpenUru-139"...

Quote:

Delete the file sfx/streamingCache/clftZandiRadio_Loop.wav
to hear the new music.

What!? You changed THIS music!? Why?? :shock:

(The new music is impersonal as possible... I replaced it by the previous one.)

Before changing the music, have you tried to ask Peter Gabriel or his producer if you could keep the previous music?

TOOO · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:08 pm

I deleted that file, but I'm still getting Peter Gabriel's music.
Strange.

Alien · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:57 pm

I backed up the file (I moved it to a different folder, it's the same as deleting it without deleting it)
I got the new file, but when I tried going there in-game, there was no radio.

So I loaded the file up in an audio editing program (Audacity, to be specific) and played it. Yes the classical music is ok, but I am curious as to what the issue was with the Peter Gabriel track. I prefer the Peter Gabriel track, and may even put it back.

EDIT: Chogon replied to my post here possibly answering your questions

TheScar(.fr) · **Joined:** Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:38 pm **Posts:** 317

TOOO wrote:

I deleted that file, but I'm still getting Peter Gabriel's music.
Strange.

I deleted both the .wav and the.ogg.
In game, I went to the Cleft to listen to the new music, but like I completed this area, the radio was off.
I then listened to the music directly in the sfx\steamingCache... And replaced the two files by the previous ones.

Alien wrote:

EDIT: Chogon replied to my post here possibly answering your questions

Thank you Alien.

TOOO · **Posted:** Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:50 am

I found a solution. I just deleted the whole sfx file, and waited for the new one to download and install.

Zandi went from Peter Gabriel to... chamber music?? Who knew?

Jamie Marchant · **Posted:** Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:11 pm

I guess changing the music allows us to redisturbute their cotent. So puting up with music that does not "fit" Zandi's character(as I know him) is a sacrifice we will have to make but it may only be temporary, they are some talented fans out their who could find or make their own music that better fits Zandie.

TheScar(.fr) · **Joined:** Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:38 pm **Posts:** 317

This music was part of URU identity.
More changes in the Uru identity and I stop building my Ages, I delete my website, I put the Myst/Cyan games disks in the bin, I format my computer and finaly, I sell it...

Alien · **Posted:** Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:48 am

TheScar(.fr) wrote:

This music was part of URU identity.
More changes in the Uru identity and I stop building my Ages, I delete my website, I put the Myst/Cyan games disks in the bin, I format my computer and finaly, I sell it...

You *could* do that.

Or you can be a shining light in the darkness, the beacon that helps keep MOULa alive.

TheScar(.fr) · **Joined:** Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:38 pm **Posts:** 317

Alien wrote:

You *could* do that.

Or you can be a shining light in the darkness, the beacon that helps keep MOULa alive.

If I'm fan of this game, it's because it's THIS game.
THIS game is what it was when I bought the ABM game, when I played it, when I discovered the live, etc...
Open source:
- Building some Ages -> SURE!
- Changing the physics -> OK.
- Changing what was part of the game identity -> Not OK; or they just have to completely remake the game from scratch, or why not make a new game which will have nothing to do with Uru!?

They changed this music because of copyright, to allow shards to host all the games files, OK; but did they asked Peter Gabriel and/or his producer first if he's OK to let the shards hosting this simple file?
Probably not.

AND what is the new music? Mozart! Oh yes, it's sure that Mozart was a compositor from Cyan a few months before 2003, and that he composed "IV. Allegro Molto" especialy for Uru; it isn't like if there was some other possibilities, like asking to a compositor which is an Uru fan...
If a guy like this existed, we would probably all know him!
(Now I have to replace "Burn you up, burn you down" by "IV. Allegro Molto" for my cell phone ring. Hum......... No.)

Keeping MOULa alive? Yes, if it stays MOULa.

Jamie Marchant · **Posted:** Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:58 pm

We should move the discussion here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29215

Also, how do we know that Zandi is not a huge Mozart fan?

TheScar(.fr) · **Joined:** Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:38 pm **Posts:** 317

Jamie Marchant wrote:

We should move the discussion here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29215

Also, how do we know that Zandi is not a huge Mozart fan?

I haven't said that; but the first time I played Uru, "Burn you up' " was the second music to welcome me.
It's these kind of elements that produce an atmosphere, specific to this game...
It's why I said that it's part of Uru identity.

Why removing a file when we can ask someone if we could keep it?

JWPlatt · **Posted:** Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:38 pm

The music needs to be in the public domain to redistribute without paying for a license.

Doobes2 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:49 am

TheScar(.fr) wrote:

Jamie Marchant wrote:

We should move the discussion here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29215

Also, how do we know that Zandi is not a huge Mozart fan?

I haven't said that; but the first time I played Uru, "Burn you up' " was the second music to welcome me.
It's these kind of elements that produce an atmosphere, specific to this game...
It's why I said that it's part of Uru identity.

Why removing a file when we can ask someone if we could keep it?

You know, you could just play the offline version of URU. That one's not going anywhere unless you modify it.

Emor D'ni Lap · **Joined:** Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:15 am **Posts:** 587

Scar:
You can listen to "Burn You Up" hundreds of different ways, but you're saying that unless it specifically comes out of Zandi's radio you'll stop playing MO:ULa?

Personally, I never felt that the song had any connection with URU whatsoever. I don't think Gabriel wrote it with URU in mind; I think he just happened to have this piece laying around and it was what he offered Cyan.

Want to tell me what these lyrics have to do with URU?

Straight as an arrow
You carry your intentions through the wind
Dogs all around you
But your gonna get the message to your friend
At every rendezvous you keep on walking around
Nighttime in the city and the rain keeps falling down
Let me tell you how it all works out
I never thought we had so much time to lose
Just learning how to twist and shout
Doesn't matter much which darn beat you use
Let me tell you how it all works out
I never thought we had so much time to lose
Just learning how to twist and shout
Doesn't matter much which darn beat you use
Pilgrim knows the road to go
How many times we've told you so
(Burn you up, and I'll burn you down)
(Burn you up, and I'll burn you down)
No rhyme or reason
No way to make it easy 'til it's done
(Burn you up, and I'll burn you down)
(Burn you up, and I'll burn you down)
So you cross onto the other side of the street
(Burn you up, and I'll burn you down)
(Burn you up, and I'll burn you down)
Should know better but you keep turning up the heat
Let me tell you how it all works out
I never thought we had so much time to lose
Just learning how to twist and shout
Doesn't matter much which darn beat you use
Let me tell you how it all works out
I never thought we had so much time to lose
Just learning how to twist and shout
Doesn't matter much which darn beat you use

TheScar(.fr) · **Joined:** Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:38 pm **Posts:** 317

JWPlatt wrote:

The music needs to be in the public domain to redistribute without paying for a license.

Yes, if Peter or his producer don't say "You can use this file on the Uru fans shards".

Doobes2 wrote:

You know, you could just play the offline version of URU. That one's not going anywhere unless you modify it.

You know, if every writer just play the offline version of Uru, MOULa dies.

Emor D'ni Lap wrote:

You can listen to "Burn You Up" hundreds of different ways, but you're saying that unless it specifically comes out of Zandi's radio you'll stop playing MO:ULa?

Personally, I never felt that the song had any connection with URU whatsoever.

It isn't what I wrote.

Emor D'ni Lap wrote:

Want to tell me what these lyrics have to do with URU?

It's off subject; like trying to find an IC reason for why the music have changed... It's a radio.

TheScar(.fr) wrote:

(The new music is impersonal as possible... I replaced it by the previous one.)

Alien wrote:

I prefer the Peter Gabriel track, and may even put it back.

Even replacing the new music by the previous one, the new one is downloaded and replace the old one.

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