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Where do you think the Cleft is?
New Mexico 90%  90%  [ 130 ]
Arabia 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Somewhere else 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Get a life! 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:06 pm 
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I didn't read the 3 Myst Books until long after I started to play Myst URU.

Both the landscape and the sign at your starting point indicate that the Cleft is truly in New Mexico.

However, in the Myst Reader (specifically, the Book of Atrus and the Book of D'ni), there were enough context clues to indicate that the Cleft was somewhere in or near Arabia.

I have read enough on the Internet to believe that the "true" location of the Cleft is in New Mexico.

If that is so, then does it mean that details in the Myst Books are not to be treated as canon? I mean, if I see a discrepancy in the location of the Great Shaft, then what other discrepancies can there be?

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According to the official canon the books were "inspired" by the journals of Katran and are therefore considered canon to the point of plot, but not of description. It is assumed that the location of The Cleft was kept secret because at the time the DRC didn't want people finding the cavern yet without special invitation.

Also, as Patrick and Adrian said, it's much more marketable and mysterious to have The Cleft be located somewhere in the middle east. Makes for a better book to an outside reader.

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The novels and the Myst video games are actual novels and video games written using D'ni source material. Like all fictional adaptations of real events, some plot points were adapted to the writer's taste (in the novels, we call these "Wingroveisms".)

Very little of this occurred. Therefore we generally treat the games and novels as canon as long as nothing contradicts them.

If something does contradict them (such as different versions of trap books, or the location of the Cleft,) then the version gained from Uru, various journals from D'ni or the DRC, and Cyan are considered canon.

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And if Cyan contradicts themselves, we usually ask the all knowing RAWA (at least as far as D'ni history is concerned) what the truth is.


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OOC: The Cleft was in Arabia, but got retconned to New Mexico.

IC: The games and books are based on the journals of Katran. Therefore, it's assumed some things were lost in translation, and that the "Arabia" location was incorrect and based off of common similarities to what Katran described (now located to be in New Mexico in Eddy County).


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Just look at Zandi's license plate on his trailer. It's from New Mexico. But my bet is still Wyoming, Devils Tower to be exact. If you ever made a movies about Uru & Myst it would probably be filmed at that location because it's a real volcanic vent. The D'ni were very crafty people..... :lol:

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http://en.mystlore.com/wiki/Wingrovism


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I don't agree with the so called "wingroism".
If you open the Book of Ti'ana, its authors are "RAND MILLER with david wingrove" (sic!)
In my eyes - and opinion - this means that the main author of the book is Rand Miller and everything in the book reflects the ideas of Cyan. Thus, it should be considered canon. If not, then what is canon? Throughout the Myst --> Riven --> etc --> Uru storyline (incl. the books) some fundamental changes has been done, therefore it cannot be granted that in the future no further changes would be made. If so, again, what is canon?

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The canonicity is as follows, IMHO and based on authority, dates and publishers:
RAWA > Cyan > Uru > The Myst Reader ~ Myst / Riven > Exile / Revelation


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Norfren wrote:
I don't agree with the so called "wingroism".
If you open the Book of Ti'ana, its authors are "RAND MILLER with david wingrove" (sic!)
In my eyes - and opinion - this means that the main author of the book is Rand Miller and everything in the book reflects the ideas of Cyan. Thus, it should be considered canon. If not, then what is canon? Throughout the Myst --> Riven --> etc --> Uru storyline (incl. the books) some fundamental changes has been done, therefore it cannot be granted that in the future no further changes would be made. If so, again, what is canon?

Quoting from an interview with RAWA:
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<Ubi_Khatie> Did Cyan originally want the cleft to be in New Mexico?
<RAWA> Short answer: Yes, as far as Cyan is concerned, the Cleft has always been in New
Mexico.
<RAWA> Long answer: Our intent was always for it to be in New Mexico, though
<RAWA> we had no intentions of revealing its location at that time. In our outlines for the
<RAWA> novels, the Cleft was near a non-descript volcano in a non-descript
<RAWA> desert. Any "clues" to its location were added by David Wingrove when
<RAWA> he fleshed out our outlines.

Source: RAWA, #Uru Chat Event (Dec. 2003)


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dragossh wrote:
The canonicity is as follows, IMHO and based on authority, dates and publishers:
RAWA > Cyan > Uru > The Myst Reader ~ Myst / Riven > Exile / Revelation

We're canonically ignoring EoA? ;)


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Norfren wrote:
I don't agree with the so called "wingroism".
If you open the Book of Ti'ana, its authors are "RAND MILLER with david wingrove" (sic!)
In my eyes - and opinion - this means that the main author of the book is Rand Miller and everything in the book reflects the ideas of Cyan. Thus, it should be considered canon. If not, then what is canon? Throughout the Myst --> Riven --> etc --> Uru storyline (incl. the books) some fundamental changes has been done, therefore it cannot be granted that in the future no further changes would be made. If so, again, what is canon?


Sorry, Wingrove did most of the writing.


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Norfren wrote:
"RAND MILLER with david wingrove" (sic!)


Since I can't find a mistake in that quote, dare I ask what the 'sic' is meant to signify in this case?

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Marein wrote:
dragossh wrote:
The canonicity is as follows, IMHO and based on authority, dates and publishers:
RAWA > Cyan > Uru > The Myst Reader ~ Myst / Riven > Exile / Revelation

We're canonically ignoring EoA? ;)

Oops :D

EoA would be somewhere between Uru and The Myst Reader, I think.


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Also, Myst/Riven > Exile/Revelations? Maybe generally, but Revelations fixed the errors with Myst and Riven's presentation of "trap books," and set a few other things. So once you get past the Myst Reader things get a little muddled.

But until that point I think you've got it (with the EOA inclusion.)

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